The 2017 Election Thread

[husaberg]

Go back and have another read.

The bit about there being no stockpiles is in quotation marks but the bit about the Novichok programme never existing is certainly not presented as a 'direct quote'.

Mr Chizhov claimed Russia has never produced Novichok, saying it had “no stockpiles whatsoever” of any nerve agent and "Russia has stopped production of any chemical agents back in 1992".Chizhov flatly denied that Russia had any stocks of novichok or had ever manufactured it. The Guardian

But why not read the transcript
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/18031801.pdf

AM: This is a very obscure nerve agent, not much understood
around the world. Has Russia ever produced this agent, Novichok?
VC: No.
AM: Never?
VC: No. Actually Russia has stopped production of any chemical
agents back in 1992. So we cannot even talk about any chemical
agents produced by Russia. All that have been produced
previously was produced by the Soviet Union. In 1992 the then
President, Boris Yeltsin, signed a decree stopping all production,
and on – according to the international convention on prohibition
of chemical weapons last year, 2017,

This represents a bit of an issue relating to your narritive now doesn't it?
You have said you know Novichok exists and was a Russian nerve agent.
Yet now you have the Russians claiming it never existed.
You also know the Russians never admitted it existed to the authorities that overseen the destruction of the 40 plus tons of nerve agent Russia actually admitted existed (enough to kill ever person in the world many times over) Which the USA actually paid for as the Russians claimed they couldn't afford it.
So as they never admitted Novichok existed and still do not, yet you clearly know it did, The only explanation is the Russians clearly lied about its existence and never destroyed it.

[Katman]

But why not read the transcript

Comprehension really isn't your strongpoint, is it?

He clearly makes the differentiation between 'Russia' and the 'Soviet Union'.

Yet now you have the Russians claiming it never existed.

He's not claiming it never existed, you fucking moron.

He's claiming that Russia hasn't produced any since the demise of the Soviet Union.

[husaberg]

Maybe they're wanting some sort of proof that it's even the Novichok strain of nerve agent.

Comprehension really isn't your strongpoint, is it?

He clearly makes the differentiation between 'Russia' and the 'Soviet Union'.



He's not claiming it never existed, you fucking moron.

He's claiming that Russia hasn't produced any since the demise of the Soviet Union.

Nice try but that was already pointed out to you which makes you the using your words the

fucking moron.

Its clearly not just words plucked, its a direct quote.
I showed you what statement the quote came from, the statement made by Vladimir Chizhov, its repeated in other articles as being said by Vladimir Chizhov by other British officials.
You clearly don't like it as it goes against the narrative you had created in your increasingly paranoid mind.
Funny enough Its sentiment was also repeated by the Russian Ambassador to the Netherlands and a representative to the OPCW Alexander Shulgin “There has never been any program under the group name Novichok in the Russian Federation,” which is of course a clever misrepresentation of facts, as the Russian Federation was only formed in 1991.
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Now why do you think it is the RUssians are playing word games in an attempt to cover facts.
As I pointed out there is clearly a Nerve agent called Novichok which was never declared thus it was also never destroyed in accordance with OPCW.
Which was signed in 1992

All States Parties have agreed to chemically disarm by destroying any stockpiles of chemical weapons they may hold and any facilities which produced them, as well as any chemical weapons they abandoned on the territory of other States Parties in the past.

Which means Russia has been caught rather red handed much like your red face.
I case you are more confused than normal and are having trouble keeping up Russia never reported the existence of Novichok to the OPCW.

The beauty of the OPCW is in it rules

A unique feature of the CWC is its incorporation of the 'challenge inspection', whereby any State Party in doubt about another State Party's compliance can request the Director-General to send an inspection team. Under the CWC's 'challenge inspection' procedure, States Parties have committed themselves to the principle of 'any time, anywhere' inspections with no right of refusal.

Expect more sanctions followed by expulsions as Russia try to avoid the inspections.

[Graystone]

which makes you the FUCKING MORRON

I mean, this seems nice...

[Viking01]

https://consortiumnews.com/2018/03/31/26507/

[Crasherfromwayback]

https://consortiumnews.com/2018/03/31/26507/

But...but...but...The Russians did so do it! Western media said so!!! Ask Glenn!

[husaberg]

https://consortiumnews.com/2018/03/31/26507/

The author is a regular guest on Russia Today.
Today Last time I seen something on Russia Today it was when they made the mistake of showing a Russian jet being loaded with cluster bombs to bomb a civilian area of Syria.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-0...l-says/9213754
Russian media where it is a crime punishable by imprisonment to criticise Russia
His website also has links directing people to David Icke, Alex Jones

[Crasherfromwayback]

The author is a regular guest on Russia Today.
Russian media where it is a crime punishable by imprisonment to criticise Russia

Aren't we all still waiting on you to produce some actual *facts* that Russia was behind the attacks?

[husaberg]

Aren't we all still waiting on you to produce some actual *facts* that Russia was behind the attacks?

Are you that's nice, Show me an actual question. or where I have said Russia was responsible for the attacks.
What I have said is Russia has been caught in a series of lies and untruths.
Much like your statements.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Are you that's nice, Show me an actual question.
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Did you see that funny curly thing with the lil dot under it at the end of my post? <<<< like that one? It's called a fucking question mark, you docile cunt. That makes what I *asked* you, a fucking question.

[husaberg]

Did you see that funny curly thing with the lil dot under it at the end of my post? <<<< like that one? It's called a fucking question mark, you docile cunt. That makes what I *asked* you, a fucking question.

Did you notice I have never once said Russia was responsible for the attack. Because I have clearly spelled it out quite a few times now.
Do I need to use smaller words for you to be able to comprehend that?
So its time for you to explain why you would be waiting for me to produce fact to back up a statement I never made?

Aren't we all still waiting on you to produce some actual *facts* that Russia was behind the attacks?

[Swoop]

So if the Poms have nothing to hide, and are indeed telling the truth, why not comply with Russia's requests? Seems they're the ones not playing the game.

Just, perhaps, the UK might be collecting all of the evidence?
With the lady now emerging from danger, perhaps she has some more to add to all of this?

Then, perhaps, there might be some samples handed over to Russia for them to play with.

In the meantime, the regular game of expulsions / counter expulsions happens. Just like during the cold war. Nothing new. Rinse & repeat.

[TheDemonLord]

Like David Kelly perhaps?

Interesting example - given my entire critique has been the disparity between how you judge actions by those in the western world vs everyone else...

So instead of frothing at the mouth with your nauseating cries of:

That's merely your autistic interpretation.

Why don't you extend the same level of ambiguity you are currently showing Russia to the circumstances of one David Kelly?

[Laava]

Imagine if Russia was given a sample of the nerve agent and they test it and say, "yep, that's one of ours!" They already have made pathetic denials so pretty unlikely they will backtrack...
Be interesting to see if the daughter can name the perpetrator, also unlikely tho...

[Katman]

Why don't you extend the same level of ambiguity you are currently showing Russia to the circumstances of one David Kelly?

What's ambiguous about wanting to find out the truth?