The 2017 Election Thread

[husaberg]

No, what you're doing is translating what people say into shit that fits your prejudices, and then arguing against that.

Like I said, a walking straw man generator.

So since you've got nothing relevant or even vaguely rational to contribute I'll leave you to it.

If thats what it takes for you to slink off thinking you still have an ounce of respect go for it.
But if you want to post utter crap expect it to be pointed out for what it is.
You might find your incessant hypocritical whining is better appreciated down at the bowls club.

[Katman]

Well sparks were certainly flying today with Winston calling Simon a joke and Gerry implying Winston was drunk.

[husaberg]

Well sparks were certainly flying today with Winston calling Simon a joke and Gerry implying Winston was drunk.

I think you will find it was Nationals party president Peter Goodfellow that said National had dodged a "whisky swilling bullet" by not going into government with Peters.
I think you will also find he was likely more aggrieved at Simon Bridges calling him a poor mans Donald Trump
That one never got much coverage as no one remembers who Simon is.

Poll 27th May Simon Bridges 9 percent of the vote for preferred Prime Minister
Which was a fall from 12% in April
Ardern sitting safely at 40.2 percent on the same poll.

the Best one was when Simon called Paula Bennet Paula benefit
The video is here.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12098535

[jasonu]

Well sparks were certainly flying today with Winston calling Simon a joke and Gerry implying Winston was drunk.

Both prolly true.

[sidecar bob]

Didn't take Labour long to slide their hand into the pocket of small business again, as usual.

[husaberg]

Didn't take Labour long to slide their hand into the pocket of small business again, as usual.

I don't think Paula Bennets benefit fraud was a small business?
PS what happened?

[sidecar bob]

I don't think Paula Bennets benefit fraud was a small business?
PS what happened?

Aren't you paying attention to govt policy?
10days paid leave per year for idiots that can't identify a suitable spouse.
What the fuck, if they want to introduce a policy like that how is it an employer expense?What happened to social welfare.
Typical Labour, having a lolly scramble using someone else's lollies.

[husaberg]

Aren't you paying attention to govt policy?
10days paid leave per year for idiots that can't identify a suitable spouse.
What the fuck, if they want to introduce a policy like that how is it an employer expense?What happened to social welfare.
Typical Labour, having a lolly scramble using someone else's lollies.

up to I0 days for victims of domestic violence who are seeking refuges from an abusive spouse yeah It should be the initial responsibility of the government rather than the employers.
But likely a good thing in it may de-stigmatise the secret Domestic violence and make sure its reported as it would have to be reported to qualify for the payment.
I see the Philippines has a similar act and Australia is considering the same.
I see several member of National initially pledged support.
Reading the speeches most of the National speakers said National actually supports the bill but they were concerned about some small business.

JAN LOGIE (Green)
What this research has found is that the initial cost of implementing these policies right across the country would be less than an annual wage increase in a bad year. That is rapidly offset from returns from lower staff turnover and increased productivity. So don't buy the lie that this will be a cost. This is a benefit. In Australia, one of the largest advocates of these policies is the Retailers Association who represents many small and medium-sized businesses.

JO HAYES (National): Thank you, Madam Assistant Speaker. I stand to take a call on the third reading of the Domestic Violence—Victims' Protection Bill in the name of Jan Logie, and I want to add my congratulations to you, Jan. It must be an amazing feeling to have a bill go down in the history of this Parliament, now and into the future, with your name on it. So congratulations.
What many of my colleagues have said in previous contributions—and even the Hon Tracey Martin has also said it—is that National does support the intent of this bill. A lot of the discussion of the impact around businesses has been and will be our concern, and I just want to reiterate the sentiments that my colleague the Hon Alfred Ngaro shared in this House. I think that domestic violence is one of those things that just cannot be wiped out through one bill. It needs a multiple approach to actually reduce domestic violence in whānau, and I think that this particular bill, with its narrow focus, starts to do that.

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hans...25_20180725_20

[Woodman]

Aren't you paying attention to govt policy?
10days paid leave per year for idiots that can't identify a suitable spouse.
What the fuck, if they want to introduce a policy like that how is it an employer expense?What happened to social welfare.
Typical Labour, having a lolly scramble using someone else's lollies.

Why do they need to make a policy for this? is it for the very small minority of employers who don't have any compassion for their employees? Hey labour, stop telling us how to think.

[husaberg]

More detail please...If you're talking about leave to sort a marriage breakup, there's an emergency benefit available through WINZ.

Domestic violence.
Google domestic violence protection bill.

[Grumph]

WINZ have had an emergency benefit available for this - but I'd suspect you'd have to present actually bleeding and with a Police escort to get it.

[husaberg]

WINZ have had an emergency benefit available for this - but I'd suspect you'd have to present actually bleeding and with a Police escort to get it.

Looking it up its says this

What the bill does
•Provide domestic violence victims and caregivers of child victims up to 10 days paid leave per year, in addition to holiday and sick leave
•Allows victims to request flexible working arrangements
•Prohibits domestic violence as a grounds for discrimination under the Human Rights Act
•Amends the definition of "hazard" in the Health and Safety at Work Act 2015 to include situations where a person's behaviour stems from being a victim or perpetrator of domestic violence
•Introduces a requirement for business owners to have a policy for dealing with hazards that arise in the workplace due to domestic violence

[Ocean1]

And they're all mystified as to why business confidence is at a decade long low.

[husaberg]

And they're all mystified as to why business confidence is at a decade long low.

Business confence is not related to GDP per capita though is it
Its actually inversely proportional to the Capacity utilisation and manufacturing index.

Note the dips everytime National takes over in the GDP
Not to mention the Massave increase in Debt


The highest Business confidence has ever been was actually during a Labour government also

[Graystone]

Business confence is not related to GDP per capita though is it
Its actually inversely proportional to the Capacity utilisation and manufacturing index.

Note the dips everytime National takes over in the GDP

The highest Business confidence has ever been was actually during a Labour government also

You might find Ocean pays attention to policies/circumstances rather than just flag flying partisan political rubbish.

My concern for that bill is the hazard identification part, I don't want our businesses getting in the shit because they failed to identify a hazard that Barry the wife beater could fall down the stairs seven times.