The 2017 Election Thread

[Ocean1]

You might find Ocean pays attention to policies/circumstances rather than just flag flying partisan political rubbish.

My concern for that bill is the hazard identification part, I don't want our businesses getting in the shit because they failed to identify a hazard that Barry the wife beater could fall down the stairs seven times.

Aye, selectively engineered OSH failures, far more reasonably priced than yer modern, low calorie social justice.

Other than that, the real point, (and I suspect what Bob was getting at): Why does the employer get to pay for the results of family violence? Why not, say the local church, or the nearest library, or the regional council, there's about as much justification. More.

And I guess the capitalist pigs aren't allowed to profile prospective employees in order to weed out the ones suffering from a lack of domestic felicity either.

[sidecar bob]

Other than that, the real point, (and I suspect what Bob was getting at): Why does the employer get to pay for the results of family violence? Why not, say the local church, or the nearest library, or the regional council, there's about as much justification. More.

I live in a red house & I want to stay in my next door neighbours good books, so next time Christmas rolls around I get a card from him instead of the people in the blue house on the other side of him.
I've organised to buy him a new set of tyres for his car so he will like me a bit more & so I can get that Christmas card again next year, but I'm sending you the invoice for the tyres because I can't actually afford to buy them myself, but I still want to look like the good guy.
You're ok with that aren't you?.

[Ocean1]

I live in a red house & I want to stay in my next door neighbours good books, so next time Christmas rolls around I get a card from him instead of the people in the blue house on the other side of him.
I've organised to buy him a new set of tyres for his car so he will like me a bit more & so I can get that Christmas card again next year, but I'm sending you the invoice for the tyres because I can't actually afford to buy them myself, but I still want to look like the good guy.
You're ok with that aren't you?.

Now that I think about it the invoice is far more appropriately sent to whatever union represents the employee, on account of their failure to negotiate safe household conditions.

True user pays socialism right there.

[sidecar bob]

Now that I think about it the invoice is far more appropriately sent to whatever union represents the employee, on account of their failure to negotiate safe household conditions.

True user pays socialism right there.

But you're the one with the job, where am I going to get the money. You have a business, that makes you rich.
What this has effectively done, is to increase the cost of absolutely every consumer product to everyone.
I feel a bit hard done by, seeing as I'm never going to benefit from the policy.

[Voltaire]

I see the teachers are going on strike soon.
I don't have children at school any more.
Rest Home Workers....now they should be getting paid more.

[Ocean1]

But you're the one with the job, where am I going to get the money. You have a business, that makes you rich.
What this has effectively done, is to increase the cost of absolutely every consumer product to everyone.
I feel a bit hard done by, seeing as I'm never going to benefit from the policy.

You must be able to convince some poor schmuck to hire you to sweep floors or some shit, then Her Indoors could smack you about a bit, instant holiday on full pay!

There's a dozen tech/engineering outfits on this street, all small family businesses. A lot of them haven't bothered to replace employees that left over the last decade or so, it's just got too hard and it's safer and easier to just scale it down to fit the more secure contracts/product/services. Usually more profitable too. I often wonder how much bigger they'd be had they not been actively discouraged from hiring more staff by progressively more restrictive employment law. Instead there's maybe 30-40 empty car parks that used to be full of employees cars.

Think you're well off out of it, and I'm not far behind.

[Ocean1]

I see the teachers are going on strike soon.
I don't have children at school any more.
Rest Home Workers....now they should be getting paid more.

Aye, a neighbour is a senior teacher, has just returned from a five week European holiday, reckons his pay raise will cover it. To be fair it's difficult to establish what's a fair and reasonable rate when there's no link between the customers and the suppliers. Same with nurses.

Yes, certainly some rest home staff are well underpaid.

[jasonu]

I live in a red house & I want to stay in my next door neighbours good books, so next time Christmas rolls around I get a card from him instead of the people in the blue house on the other side of him.
I've organised to buy him a new set of tyres for his car so he will like me a bit more & so I can get that Christmas card again next year, but I'm sending you the invoice for the tyres because I can't actually afford to buy them myself, but I still want to look like the good guy.
You're ok with that aren't you?.

Pretty soon it will be a crime to be white and well off in NZ.

[oldrider]

Pretty soon it will be a crime to be white and well off in NZ.

Well isn't that the latest world wide trend being instigated in America (USA/Canada) right now? - NZ will have to keep up.

[jasonu]

Well isn't that the latest world wide trend being instigated in America (USA/Canada) right now? - NZ will have to keep up.

Not in America me old son.

[buggerit]

Pretty soon it will be a crime to be white and well off in NZ.

unless you've got a vagina

[Swoop]

I see the teachers are going on strike soon.
I don't have children at school any more.
Rest Home Workers....now they should be getting paid more.

Rest home workers got a good payrise when national was in government. Immediately there was a substantial increase in rest home costs for residents.


As for the teachers going on strike, they can join the port workers, bus drivers, railways and nurses.
Good to see the unions pulling the strings controlling the labour party and demanding a return on their investment.

[sidecar bob]

Rest home workers got a good payrise when national was in government. Immediately there was a substantial increase in rest home costs for residents.

Have you any idea what they were getting paid before that
Absolutely sweet fuck all. My mum was in aged care for years, not because she needed money. Many of her workmates did, & they were doing it hard.
Maybe thats what aged care should cost.

[husaberg]

Have you any idea what they were getting paid before that
Absolutely sweet fuck all. My mum was in aged care for years, not because she needed money. Many of her workmates did, & they were doing it hard.
Maybe thats what aged care should cost.

That we can partly agree on that least, a society should be judged on what we pay and treat the people that look after the sick elderly and children.
If you look around what the people that look after children in day care, the bus drivers that drive the children and the carers in aged care get paid its a sad indictment on how our society places these people inputs and what value we place on those needing it.
The inordinate profits generated in aged care and childcare by a small number of rather large corperates and the lowest possible tender bus contracts reflect more a society that places a companies profits of companies over the care of people.
Profit is a great thing but it should be not monopolistic, there needs to be some form of regulation. Especially when it comes to the people that we should be looking after the Old, Young and Sick.

[Graystone]

Aye, selectively engineered OSH failures, far more reasonably priced than yer modern, low calorie social justice.

Other than that, the real point, (and I suspect what Bob was getting at): Why does the employer get to pay for the results of family violence? Why not, say the local church, or the nearest library, or the regional council, there's about as much justification. More.

And I guess the capitalist pigs aren't allowed to profile prospective employees in order to weed out the ones suffering from a lack of domestic felicity either.

Better yet, the cunt that did it could pay for it. Even if that means taking it out of his benefit 20 bucks a week or something (with lump sum from govt paid to employer ofc).

Profiling? nah that'd never happen, just a strange coincidence how some profiles don't have quite the skillset that is being looked for