The 2017 Election Thread

[pritch]

Oh yeah, this housing crisis shit's easy!

While I was driving home last night from a barbecue Don Brash was saying it is easy. If they actually did anything effective though, house prices would drop and voters don't like that, so no politician will be brave enough to do it. Meanwhile they will want to appear as if they are doing something.

And basically that was the gospel according to Don.

[jasonu]

While I was driving home last night from a barbecue Don Brash was saying it is easy. If they actually did anything effective though, house prices would drop and voters don't like that, so no politician will be brave enough to do it. Meanwhile they will want to appear as if they are doing something.

And basically that was the gospel according to Don.

Rather than making house prices drop they would have done better preventing them from going through the roof in the first place.
NZ is way more reactive than proactive.

[husaberg]

Rather than making house prices drop they would have done better preventing them from going through the roof in the first place.
NZ is way more reactive than proactive.

While I was driving home last night from a barbecue Don Brash was saying it is easy. If they actually did anything effective though, house prices would drop and voters don't like that, so no politician will be brave enough to do it. Meanwhile they will want to appear as if they are doing something.

And basically that was the gospel according to Don.

Funny as according to Key there was no housing crisis
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/mon...kland-john-key
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/ind...nt-more-action
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/polit...woodhouse.html
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/polit...housing-crisis
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/polit...-a-'crisis'

Prime Minister John Key is standing by his statements that there isn't a housing crisis in Auckland and says the decision to tax property speculators was only made in April.
On Sunday, Key announced the Government planned a law change for October 1 that will make residential property bought and sold within two years subject to a capital gains tax, unless it was the family home, inherited, or needing to be sold because of a relationship split.

Finance Minister Bill English was not convinced there was a housing crisis either, .

labour leader Andrew Little described the policy as "panic stations at the Beehive" after a sudden change of heart by the prime minister, which has led to a "scrambled and last-minute housing measure".
"These are the actions of a bystander Government that has watched the Auckland housing crisis unfold and then done too little too late."

It wasnt until May 15 that they finally admitted there was one
https://www.labour.org.nz/john_key_f...housing_crisis

[Ocean1]

Oh aye, it was a crisis when labour could blame national for not introducing a CGT.

Now it's not.

So they don't have to.

All clear?

[Ocean1]

While I was driving home last night from a barbecue Don Brash was saying it is easy. If they actually did anything effective though, house prices would drop and voters don't like that, so no politician will be brave enough to do it. Meanwhile they will want to appear as if they are doing something.

And basically that was the gospel according to Don.

Don's right.

But "effective" doesn't have to incinerate the market. Just get the local council's fingers out of the fucking till wrt new developments and kill the supply monopolies.

[pritch]

Don's right.

He also said some other stuff which I liked the sound of. He made the point that the fertile land around Pukekohe should be used productively. There is land available elsewhere that is less productive so more appropriate for housing. I didn't recognise the names he mentioned but think the areas were more more north.

Last time I drove through Pukekohe, some eighteen months ago, it looked sad. Fields full of weeds, presumably land banked pending development?

[Ocean1]

He also said some other stuff which I liked the sound of. He made the point that the fertile land around Pukekohe should be used productively. There is land available elsewhere that is less productive so more appropriate for housing. I didn't recognise the names he mentioned but think the areas were more more north.

Last time I drove through Pukekohe, some eighteen months ago, it looked sad. Fields full of weeds, presumably land banked pending development?

If it was economically viable to be farming it then it'd be farmed. Be interesting to find out why that's not the case, I suspect the cost of living in Orks drives employment costs up to the point where it's cheaper for countdown to buy spuds from the Horowhenua. I don't necessarily agree with nationalising property simply because some aren't happy with how the existing owners are using it though.

Same with the recent talk of "acquiring" some of the golf courses around Orks for urban development, against the "think of the poor people without houses" argument I'll place "think of the city defined as unrelieved, wall to wall suburbia". It's horrendously bad as it is.

Let's face it the problem is simply that there's more people that want an Orks McMansion than the current market can supply, in spite of the artificially high prices. Making more of the same around the fringes is a short-term solution anyway, maybe we'd be better off making it more attractive to live elsewhere. I suspect that a bullet train the length of the Waikato would help. So would some creative tax breaks for large employers looking to move out of town. Maybe govt takes the responsible lead, there and moves every public service office out of town.

Do wonders for Wellington...

[Voltaire]

He also said some other stuff which I liked the sound of. He made the point that the fertile land around Pukekohe should be used productively. There is land available elsewhere that is less productive so more appropriate for housing. I didn't recognise the names he mentioned but think the areas were more more north.

Last time I drove through Pukekohe, some eighteen months ago, it looked sad. Fields full of weeds, presumably land banked pending development?

A sign saying " Full" should be put up on the Bombays.

I was driving to an ADV ride in Whanganui on Friday morning at about 7:30 and the traffic was back to past Pukekohe. They do this every
day.

[Swoop]

Oh yeah, this housing crisis shit's easy!

I'm entertained by the cries of "we'll limit rent increases to only one per year!"
Which simply means that landlords will put the price up significantly when they do so.

He also said some other stuff which I liked the sound of. He made the point that the fertile land around Pukekohe should be used productively.

Pukekohe is a vital food production resource for the northern region and has been for a very long time. Idiot councils are continuing to destroy this asset.

Same with the recent talk of "acquiring" some of the golf courses around Orks for urban development...

All ready happening.

[husaberg]

I'm entertained by the cries of "we'll limit rent increases to only one per year!"
Which simply means that landlords will put the price up significantly when they do so.


Pukekohe is a vital food production resource for the northern region and has been for a very long time. Idiot councils are continuing to destroy this asset.


All ready happening.

Correct its the council that allowes the zoning to change for Rural lands. too much hightly productive land is being swallowed up for urban sprawl.
But in regards to the golf courses thats not really true the Auckland Council already owns 13 golf courses in Auckland they always have, they have as far as i know now decided to sell offand or subdivide a few. its not a bad idea, as its hardly core activity for councils to own golf courses. Although a lot of them actually do own golf courses land and rent them out for peppercorn rental to the clubs.

[pete376403]

So would some creative tax breaks for large employers looking to move out of town. Maybe govt takes the responsible lead, there and moves every public service office out of town.

Do wonders for Wellington...

Muldoon tried that. A long time ago I was doing some IT work at the Nestle (?) factory way out in Waiuku and asked how they had ended up there. Government incentives, apparently. Anathema to the free market though. (free market is why TransRails head office was moved to the North Shore, where no rail ever goes)

[pritch]

I don't necessarily agree with nationalising property simply because some aren't happy with how the existing owners are using it though.

Same with the recent talk of "acquiring" some of the golf courses around Orks for urban development, against the "think of the poor people without houses" argument I'll place "think of the city defined as unrelieved, wall to wall suburbia".

Nobody mentioned nationalising anything. The local body should be controlling land use, but I wouldn't bet on it.

We had a contretemps hereabout regarding one of the local golf courses the council had, in their wisdom - or lack thereof, decided to sell for development. So far so good, but we may need another mayor. Be it here or in Auckland, the green spaces that the golf courses provide will one day be hugely valuable as relief from the urban/suburban sprawl. Once they're gone, they'll be gone forever. No, I don't play golf. Did deliver a newspaper to Chamberlain Park in Auckland when I was a school kid though.

[Ocean1]

Nobody mentioned nationalising anything. The local body should be controlling land use, but I wouldn't bet on it.

We had a contretemps hereabout regarding one of the local golf courses the council had, in their wisdom - or lack thereof, decided to sell for development. So far so good, but we may need another mayor. Be it here or in Auckland, the green spaces that the golf courses provide will one day be hugely valuable as relief from the urban/suburban sprawl. Once they're gone, they'll be gone forever. No, I don't play golf. Did deliver a newspaper to Chamberlain Park in Auckland when I was a school kid though.

That's more or less what I thought I'd said.

Heard a related rumor the other day, though. Seems the local Hutt council was approached by developers wanting their blessing and some assurances about eventual sign off on some recent zoning changes for a large residential development before they bought the property. No worries says the council, we'll be dealing with all of the contracts. Um, we rather thought that was our role? says the developers, but OK, go ahead and quote for the work. That's not how it works, says the council, we'll just let you know when it's done. Well it's certainly the way it works for us, says the developers, maybe Porirua will be a little more accommodating. Which is why Porirua gets a new suburb, and Hutt doesn't.

[husaberg]

Cameron slatter has named Amy Adams as the most likely leaker

I still believe that this leak and the subsequent texts were from ‘The Puddle’ and people closely associated with them.https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/08/w...little-leaker/

https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/02/a...le-supporters/

Whats the issue with spending the equivalent of $400,000 a year on limo rides for the National leader anyway

Mr Bridges acknowledges it's a lot of money, but is unapologetic - saying he hasn't spent too much.

[Ocean1]

It's all kosher, really...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...reasury-advice

...we have financial responsibility rules y'know.