The 2017 Election Thread

**Voltaire** · 27th August 2017, 20:16

Originally Posted by Ocean1

Which translates to the annual rainfall on....

Foodstuff Quantity Water consumption, litres
Chocolate 1 kg 17,196 .......... your bedroom roof
Beef 1 kg 15,415 .......... your kid's bedroom roof
Sheep Meat 1 kg 10,412 .......... your bathroom
Pork 1 kg 5,988 .......... your car

Perspective.

Also, as I suggested earlier I'd be a lot quicker to tax the use of those plastic bottles than water we have more than we can handle. Maybe there's an opportunity there to not be completely hypocritical in using NZ's clean green image to sell product in environmentally unfriendly containers by going back to those tetra, (?) cardboard things?

+1 on plastic bottles, and add take away coffee cups, plastic bags, and take away shit to that. Clean and Green.....yeah right.

**Ocean1** · 27th August 2017, 20:22

Originally Posted by Voltaire

+1 on plastic bottles, and add take away coffee cups, plastic bags, and take away shit to that. Clean and Green.....yeah right.

I got into an actual fistfight with a bunch of fuckwits up the road over them chucking a coke bottle out of the car window. And that's where the problem really lies, if the stuff was disposed of properly the benefits of the stuff as a material option would far outweigh any problems. But fuckwits, y'know? Including the ones that buy shit for the kids that lasts a week if you're lucky and then it's in the bin.

**Woodman** · 27th August 2017, 20:56

Originally Posted by Ocean1

Genuine socialist dogma, the politics of envy.

If you're all that cut up about someone else making money out of selling something for more than they're paying then you could always do the same.

At least you'd see exactly how easy and free it is.

How is charging for a resource that is scarce that we have in abundance turn me into a socialist? I want NZ to charge businesses or corporations for it or bottle it ourselves so we can make lots of money. Think Kuwait with their oil. I am not cut up about other people making money. That is their right, just as it is ours and I don't see why they can take our resource and not be charged for it.

**Ocean1** · 27th August 2017, 21:50

Originally Posted by Woodman

How is charging for a resource that is scarce that we have in abundance turn me into a socialist?

This does:

Originally Posted by Woodman

I want NZ to charge businesses or corporations for it or bottle it ourselves so we can make lots of money.

THE fundamental tenet of socialism: The state controls the means of production.

Originally Posted by Woodman

Think Kuwait with their oil.

You want to copy the behaviour of a country with one of the highest levels of inequality and one of the poorest human rights records in the world?

Originally Posted by Woodman

I am not cut up about other people making money. That is their right, just as it is ours and I don't see why they can take our resource and not be charged for it.

Sure sounds like it.

So it's their right to make money from a resource that costs nobody anything, and it's "our" right to do the same, and yet you plan to take that right away from them.

Like I said, if you want a slice of the action why don't you exercise your right and front up with the few million it'd take to open your own business?

And again, who says it's your resource? And are you going to charge them for the bit of air in the top of the bottle too?

And incidentally, in most cases they're already paying the local govt for the privilege of using it.

**Woodman** · 27th August 2017, 22:22

Originally Posted by Ocean1

This does:

THE fundamental tenet of socialism: The state controls the means of production.

You want to copy the behaviour of a country with one of the highest levels of inequality and one of the poorest human rights records in the world?

Sure sounds like it.

So it's their right to make money from a resource that costs nobody anything, and it's "our" right to do the same, and yet you plan to take that right away from them.

Like I said, if you want a slice of the action why don't you exercise your right and front up with the few million it'd take to open your own business?

And again, who says it's your resource? And are you going to charge them for the bit of air in the top of the bottle too?

And incidentally, in most cases they're already paying the local govt for the privilege of using it.

I want the overseas corporations to pay for our resource so you and I don't have to pay so much tax to support the bludgers.

**Katman** · 27th August 2017, 22:58

Originally Posted by bogan

....tax the fuck out of breeding.

Fuck yeah.

Then dumb fucks might do it less.

**Swoop** · 28th August 2017, 08:44

Oh the irony...

**Jeff Sichoe** · 28th August 2017, 10:41

you guys have got it all wrong

what we need to do is start giving away our water to anyone who wants it, we're not going to run out anytime soon, but they are

when they do, we up the price and starting fleecing the fuckers

do the same with dairy... mofos in china and europe can pay 10x the price for our dairy, especially if we're farming less (for water quality reasons) = higher prices.

**pritch** · 28th August 2017, 14:57

Originally Posted by Ocean1

THE fundamental tenet of socialism: The state controls the means of production.

Perhaps a little "socialism" might sometimes be appropriate. We have local body politicians who will happily give water to overseas corporations to sell at a profit.
They do say there is one born every minute, but some councils seem to have more than their share.

The CEO of Nestle worldwide is apparently on record as stating water is not a human right, it's a product, and Nestle will sell it.

In case anyone is thinking there's plenty of water, that may not always be the case. Canterbury is just one example, the disappearing rivers may be a problem but contamination of the aquifer is a bigger one, and with the intensive dairy farming there now that's just a matter of time.

I'm not sure that Labour have the right idea but somebody needs to take an intelligent look at what's happening, and right now is a good time.

**Ocean1** · 28th August 2017, 15:39

Originally Posted by pritch

Perhaps a little "socialism" might sometimes be appropriate. We have local body politicians who will happily give water to overseas corporations to sell at a profit.
They do say there is one born every minute, but some councils seem to have more than their share.

The CEO of Nestle worldwide is apparently on record as stating water is not a human right, it's a product, and Nestle will sell it.

In case anyone is thinking there's plenty of water, that may not always be the case. Canterbury is just one example, the disappearing rivers may be a problem but contamination of the aquifer is a bigger one, and with the intensive dairy farming there now that's just a matter of time.

I'm not sure that Labour have the right idea but somebody needs to take an intelligent look at what's happening, and right now is a good time.

Maybe. But not simply because someone is making money from packaging and shipping an overwhelmingly abundant and completely free resource. The only possible driver behind that is simple jealousy.

And I don't really care what Nestle's CEO thinks, he's no credible authority on the ethics involved.

So where it is scarce or it's use causes damage then control the activity, that's pretty easy: simply limit it's use. By all means review the use of water, but let's do it properly, eh? Regulation by taxation is hypercritical bullshit, if it's not costing anyone else anything then keep your fingers out of the till, if it is then ban it.