The 2017 Election Thread

[Ocean1]

I'm more interested in the fuel crisis - Mega Woods dragged them into her office earlier this year to bitch-slap them into competitive practices and the result months later is ........ NZ's highest fuel prices ever. Nice one minister. Yeah we know you get a company car and fuel card.

Aye. How do you prove the obvious: it's an abusive monopoly.

And then how do you fix it? NZ Oil Ltd?

[husaberg]

Did you see my name on any of the documents I posted?

So no, it's not my "theory". Is is, however, with 20:20 hindsight rapidly becoming an accepted historic economic fact.

And yes, I pointed out that national failed to correct the fuckup well before you predictably picked that up as some sort of partisan point scoring coup, need I point out that I don't play that game? Again?

The reason they didn't put the money back in the biscuit tin was that without the same revenue they would never again have bought enough votes to compete. And you still don't see the problem with a system that rewards petty vote buying bullshit over prudent, ethical governance?

And no, I don't know how many Kiwis you know who bought residential property specifically as a retirement investment before that, but the number I know who did so only after their pension scheme was burgled amounts to most of the double income middle class household I know.

Aaannnd straight back into the anti-nat whataboutist bullshit. See ya.

Its your theory as you offered it as the reason for the housing crisis .
But its an obscure one at best, it would take 40 odd pages of googling to find it under cause of Auckland Housing crisis. So i dont believe it rates highly in the real reasons
Reason you say National never fixed it? No you offer excuses, that they did not, National has never even admitted it is a crisis and if they have known about it for 30 years and have not done anything about it or highlight it.
it is not what you would expect a goverment that claims to have the best interest of voters now is it?
As i have stated you chose to ignore the fact every subsequent National government built less houses and sold more houses which you outlined as being a cause of the current crisis which is what i highlighted as being stupid and not backed by facts.

Sure we can. The whole thing started a couple of labour's ago, when they found there wasn't enough money in the kitty to pay for their election promises. Again.
So they slashed the state housing budget, sold off a bunch of state houses and set up tax breaks to encourage private investment in rental properties instead. (the very same mechanisms they're now calling "inequitable").
They also changed the tax law re retirement savings, taxing them at source instead of on withdrawal, a move that was specifically designed to free up retirement scheme savings capital for housing investment.
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Auckland has a crisis and its pretty simple why we are still building less houses than we did in the 1970's yet we have a million more people living in Auckland in bigger houses.

[Murray]

You were weird and creepy when you were posting endless pics of underage girls... things have not got better.

Well you seem very sure of that... do you keep them in a separate folder?

How does this predilection for taut teen pussy go down with the wimmin's section down at the local Labour Party meetings? I'd have thought a whisper of that would have cost you your balls... but perhaps not down in banjo pluckin country eh?

You have accused someone of posting "endless" pics of underage girls and when asked to provide proof backed off?

Please provide proof before making serious allegations or just keep your mouth shut.

I await your intelligent response!

[carbonhed]

You have accused someone of posting "endlrss" pics of underage girls and when asked to provide proof backed off?

Please provide proof before making serious allegations or just keep your mouth shut.

I await your intelligent response!

You are right. It was a mistake. I can't prove they are underage. Apologies.

[jasonu]

Isn't it surprising how the propaganda of "the new sprog will not change anything" has been forgotten now that the use of an air force transport is required because the patagonian toothfish needs to be with the little one and cannot possibly travel with the rest of the three-ring circus called "the coalition"?

Right on Sista.
Back to my original question at the beginning of this discussion, where are the ones that said her having a baby won't make any difference? I know crasher was one but he buggared off. The rest are suspiciously mute...

[jasonu]

I'm more interested in the fuel crisis - Mega Woods dragged them into her office earlier this year to bitch-slap them into competitive practices and the result months later is ........ NZ's highest fuel prices ever. Nice one minister. Yeah we know you get a company car and fuel card.

No fuel crisis here mate. I get a gallon for the same money you pay for a liter.

[Graystone]

Right on Sista.
Back to my original question at the beginning of this discussion, where are the ones that said her having a baby won't make any difference? I know crasher was one but he buggared off. The rest are suspiciously mute...

Has it made a difference? The '$80k' flight is such a storm in a teacup if that is the best case for 'difference' you have it simply goes to prove our point.

[Graystone]

No fuel crisis here mate. I get a gallon for the same money you pay for a liter.

Does oregon have fuel at half the price Washington state does then? Or are you just making shit up again?

[Voltaire]

No fuel crisis here mate. I get a gallon for the same money you pay for a liter.

Without resorting to Google and endless quotes in brackets ( and re-quotes) isn't the US now self sufficient in oil now, probably due to accessing

tight oil?

Beer crisis here.... my favs are over $24 a litre.

[oldrider]

You are right. It was a mistake. I can't prove they are underage. Apologies.

But by his own volition (see his signature) he is a declared advocate for the use of whole chicken! - No mistake there.

[carbonhed]

Has it made a difference? The '$80k' flight is such a storm in a teacup if that is the best case for 'difference' you have it simply goes to prove our point.

It's just been triumph after triumh since she got back... right.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-...ru-pr-disaster

[Graystone]

It's just been triumph after triumh since she got back...

I didn't even know she rode!

[carbonhed]

I didn't even know she rode!

Comedy Gold right there. You should go on stage... say, you're not Guy Williams incognito are you? Because he has that same comedy godlikeness as you, even more than Te Radar because that motherfucker is surely the least amusing asshole passing himself off as a comedian ever... only possible in Godzone eh. Rock on Guy!

[jasonu]

Does oregon have fuel at half the price Washington state does then? Or are you just making shit up again?

eh?????????
About the same.

[husaberg]

No fuel crisis here mate. I get a gallon for the same money you pay for a liter.

New Zealand Gasoline prices, liter
Gasoline prices: We show prices for New Zealand from 28-May-2018 to 03-Sep-2018. The average value for New Zealand during that period was 2.34 New Zealand Dollar with a minimum of 2.30 New Zealand Dollar on 02-Jul-2018 and a maximum of 2.40 New Zealand Dollar on 03-Sep-2018. For comparison, the average price of gasoline in the world for this period is 2.43 New Zealand Dollar.

USA Gasoline prices, liter
Gasoline prices: We show prices for USA from 28-May-2018 to 03-Sep-2018. The average value for USA during that period was 1.28 New Zealand Dollar with a minimum of 1.27 New Zealand Dollar on 25-Jun-2018 and a maximum of 1.31 New Zealand Dollar on 28-May-2018. For comparison, the average price of gasoline in the world for this period is 2.43 New Zealand Dollar.

You pay about 1/2 what we pay not a 1/4, a lot less granted, but not a quarter less.
https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/gasoline_prices/
you pay twice what Egypt does, you also pay 81 times what Venezuela does.

Diesel guess you dont have RUC's

USA Diesel prices, liter
Diesel prices: We show prices for USA from 28-May-2018 to 03-Sep-2018. The average value for USA during that period was 1.28 New Zealand Dollar with a minimum of 1.27 New Zealand Dollar on 30-Jul-2018 and a maximum of 1.30 New Zealand Dollar on 28-May-2018. For comparison, the average price of diesel in the world for this period is 2.20 New Zealand Dollar.

New Zealand Diesel prices, liter
Diesel prices: We show prices for New Zealand from 28-May-2018 to 03-Sep-2018. The average value for New Zealand during that period was 1.60 New Zealand Dollar with a minimum of 1.55 New Zealand Dollar on 02-Jul-2018 and a maximum of 1.70 New Zealand Dollar on 03-Sep-2018. For comparison, the average price of diesel in the world for this period is 2.20 New Zealand Dollar.