The 2017 Election Thread

[sidecar bob]

What part was not got right. as i said the floorplans were altered to suit so no issue.
Note your old pony tailed pulling mate J-don Key was actually a second generation refugee. Brought up in one of those state houses too by a mum on the DPB, Sure he turned out to be a crook but dont they all.......
Nicki hagger is a second Gen refugee as well.
ps the current gov is a bit green for my liking but whatever

Wow, you've managed to heard virtually a complete school of irrelevant & historic red herrings there in an attempt to take the heat off the real & current issues.
500 extra refugees, or a pony tail tug, I can't decide.

[husaberg]

Wow, you've managed to heard virtually a complete school of irrelevant & historic red herrings there in an attempt to take the heat off the real & current issues.
500 extra refugees, or a pony tail tug, I can't decide.

Cool aye
But he was a second gen refugee.....so i dont see how its unrelated to refugees.
It may have escaped your notice but John key also agreed to upping the refugees.

not to mention

John Key signals refugee quota will be lifted from 1987 level
such as last September's (2015)decision to accept 750 Syrian refugees over three years. Of those, 600 were part of an emergency intake outside the quota. The extra intake was expected to cost an extra $49 million over three years in resettlement costs, on top of the $58 million spent on refugee resettlement annually.
Mr Key said it was also important New Zealand had the capacity to properly re-settle those refugees if the quota was lifted.
He pointed to the $21 million upgrade of the Mangere Resettlement Centre, expected to be completed by the end of the year which increases the capacity of the centre to 196 beds with the potential to house 300 in an emergency situation. Refugees spend their first six weeks in the centre where they are given health checks and taught some of the basics of New Zealand life.

John Key says NZ will take 150 refugees from Australia if required
28 Jun, 2016 2:02pm

Again in 2001, New Zealand accepted resettlement for 130 Afghan asylum seekers picked up by the freighter, MS Tampa, after their craft capsized in the Indian Ocean. In 2015 a special quota of 600 places, additional to the annual quota, was announced for an intake of Syrian refugees, with 100 arriving in 2015/16 and 250 per year for 2016/17 and 2017/18. This, effectively, raised the quota to 1000 places from July 2016 onwards.

Not a bopeep out of you then..........

[sidecar bob]

Cool aye
But he was a second gen refugee.....so i dont see how its unrelated to refugees.
It may have escaped your notice but John key also agreed to upping the refugees.

not to mention








Not a bopeep out of you then..........

Yep, more red herrings. Can we just concentrate on what a total fuck up the current govt is making of basic stuff, rather than a whole pile of historic what if's.
I appreciate you must have watched a lot of Helen Clarke answering questions by deflecting it back to something someone else did worse to take the heat off, & it is the Labour modus operandi, but dude, that was a decade ago.

[husaberg]

Yep, more red herrings. Can we just concentrate on what a total fuck up the current govt is making of basic stuff, rather than a whole pile of historic what if's.
I appreciate you must have watched a lot of Helen Clarke answering questions by deflecting it back to something someone else did worse to take the heat off, & it is the Labour modus operandi, but dude, that was a decade ago.

I just find it interesting that when Key upped the Refugees all was Rosie but if it happens now its a fuck up......... Intersting things these National party dynamics.

[jasonu]

you do realise they are being sold at market rates.

So where is the affordability for the young NZ'ers that can't afford to buy without assistance? (ie handouts on the tax payers backs)

[sidecar bob]

I just find it interesting that when Key upped the Refugees all was Rosie but if it happens now its a fuck up......... Intersting things these National party dynamics.

I find it interesting that you constantly look to the past to justify the present.
How about concentrating on a decent answer to Jason's last question & the market rates rip off for example, where the govt is essentially taking food off property developers tables for their own gain while providing no benifit to anyone but themselves?(I bet you don't)
I wasn't talking primarily about refugees, but go ahead, Key was far from perfect & we all know national would be having their fourth term if he hadn't jacked it in. You have seized on refugees while studiously ignoring the proper fuck up's. Typical Labour Party/supporter tactic.
Oh, where's the 30 million coming from to house them? Wouldn't want to work hard, save & pay stupid amounts of tax now would you? I think that entitles me to an opinion.

[husaberg]

I find it interesting that you constantly look to the past to justify the present.
How about concentrating on a decent answer to Jason's last question & the market rates rip off for example, where the govt is essentially taking food off property developers tables for their own gain while providing no benifit to anyone but themselves?(I bet you don't)
I wasn't talking primarily about refugees, but go ahead, Key was far from perfect & we all know national would be having their fourth term if he hadn't jacked it in. You have seized on refugees while studiously ignoring the proper fuck up's. Typical Labour Party/supporter tactic.
Oh, where's the 30 million coming from to house them? Wouldn't want to work hard, save & pay stupid amounts of tax now would you? I think that entitles me to an opinion.

I have to go back to previous events as National is no longer in power, At least i am not going back 30 years like Ocean tried to, to shift blame for the housing crisis.
30 million easy we are not holding any flag referendums.
Its fair to say key had lost his sparkle so a fourth term was a given.
It seems nationals party only plays negative politics when they are in opposition. Labour gained power through positive politics ie offering better solutions, maybe thats something Simon Bridges successor might learn from.

So where is the affordability for the young NZ'ers that can't afford to buy without assistance? (ie handouts on the tax payers backs)

They are affordable, thats the whole point. As for food off the table for devlopers Bob himself said they were over priced and you could do it far far cheaper so how is that taken food out of their poor familys table?

[Swoop]

I just find it interesting that when Key upped the Refugees all was Rosie but if it happens now its a fuck up......... Intersting things these National party dynamics.

After looking at what the refugee system was capable of handling, the number was increased.
What Liarbour and the lunatic-fringe party want is an open door policy (essentially to help their voter-base).
What NZ needs is skilled migrants, while we "do our moral part" of accepting a number of genuine refugees.

[Ocean1]

But, but this isn't the advice we wanted you to give us!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/107...-working-group

[Ocean1]

At least i am not going back 30 years like Ocean tried to, to shift blame for the housing crisis.

I shifted fuck all, I simply showed you what caused Kiwis to stop investing in retirement funds, (and therefore NZ economic growth) and start investing in property.

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/...ential-impacts

If you actually read it, rather than automatically leap into Marxism defense mode, even just the first few sentences, you'd understand that the net result of labours 1989 tax changes directly drove NZ's subsequent reduction in investments in the share market and contributed substantially to increased housing prices. It's not actually disputed by anyone except, apparently you.

Nor is the fact that they did it because they needed the tax immediately, for social welfare spending, not when pension funds matured decades down the track. They said as much at the time.

And fuck me, don't the last few months feel like groundhog day?

[carbonhed]

The Derek Handley omnishambles gets more omnishambolic...

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12128164

To quote DPF "It is of course quite normal for someone applying for a $400,000 a year Government job to text the Prime Minister and tell them they have applied.

It is also quite normal to be appointed despite (reportedly) applying after the deadline for applications.

Also quite normal to have a secret meeting with the Minister in charge of making the appointment.

Nothing at all out of the normal here."

[husaberg]

I shifted fuck all, I simply showed you what caused Kiwis to stop investing in retirement funds, (and therefore NZ economic growth) and start investing in property.

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/...ential-impacts

If you actually read it, rather than automatically leap into Marxism defense mode, even just the first few sentences, you'd understand that the net result of labours 1989 tax changes directly drove NZ's subsequent reduction in investments in the share market and contributed substantially to increased housing prices. It's not actually disputed by anyone except, apparently you.

Nor is the fact that they did it because they needed the tax immediately, for social welfare spending, not when pension funds matured decades down the track. They said as much at the time.

And fuck me, don't the last few months feel like groundhog day?

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Sure we can. The whole thing started a couple of labour's ago, when they found there wasn't enough money in the kitty to pay for their election promises. Again.

So they slashed the state housing budget, sold off a bunch of state houses and set up tax breaks to encourage private investment in rental properties instead. (the very same mechanisms they're now calling "inequitable").

They also changed the tax law re retirement savings, taxing them at source instead of on withdrawal, a move that was specifically designed to free up retirement scheme savings capital for housing investment.

So we can absolutely blame labour for implementing policy that drove the housing market in the direction it subsequently took.


Them, and crooked cunts like this: https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-pos...ian-commission and their developer mates for the seriously dodgy practices that created the shortage that drove further price rises.

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After looking at what the refugee system was capable of handling, the number was increased.
What Liarbour and the lunatic-fringe party want is an open door policy (essentially to help their voter-base).
What NZ needs is skilled migrants, while we "do our moral part" of accepting a number of genuine refugees.

Which is what happened under both governments Only National had a far easier imigration policy.
NZ doesnt need vast number of skilled immigrants it needs the people to be trained to fill vacancies and it needs the industries to actually train people to fill them and reconcile that this needs doing.

[husaberg]

The Derek Handley omnishambles gets more omnishambolic...

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12128164

To quote DPF "It is of course quite normal for someone applying for a $400,000 a year Government job to text the Prime Minister and tell them they have applied.

It is also quite normal to be appointed despite (reportedly) applying after the deadline for applications.

Also quite normal to have a secret meeting with the Minister in charge of making the appointment.

Nothing at all out of the normal here."

Not out of the norm if you compare it to Nationals handling on Todd Barclay situation
Only in that case they never removed Todd Barclay but did sack the person who did no wrong.
Bill english had a series of memory laspes, regarding the 450 texts he sent Dickson, Which labours leader hasn't fogotten anything
Then only after a lot of heat Did National admit that they made secret payments out of the PM budget so they wouldn't tell others of the situation and never made Todd speak to the police.
The only real difference is Clair Curren was demoted following her transgressions and everything was done in an open manner.
While Barclay got his legal expenses paid by the tax payer and was sent on a two month paid vacation to Europe.

[sidecar bob]

Jacinda grows a ball sack

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...aitiri-inquiry
Oh, not quite, anger Managment is still an MP and co-chur, oops, co-chair, speaking of people that have been on paid vacation.

[carbonhed]

Jacinda grows a ball sack

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...aitiri-inquiry
Oh, not quite, anger Managment is still an MP speaking people that have been on paid vacation.

The Coalition of Losers is becoming more ludicrous by the day.

I'm really enjoying this government. Just when you think they couldn't get any more useless they surprise you!