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    Quote Originally Posted by sidecar bob View Post
    The ministers don't just set about to strip out contaminated houses of their own decisions.
    The govt employ advisers at every level, somebody that still has a job & likely an ulterior motive has fucked this up big time.
    Several years ago, a good mate of mine said, there's nothing harmful in meth fumes, these houses just need a scrub & some paint. they're wasting millions on them.
    That was Nodrog off here & the bugger was spot on.
    I think anyone with any experience in a chemical industry environment would have had the same opinion. It's certainly far less toxic than nicotine, (Dutch Chemical Industry Association: "Rinse mouth, give plenty of water to drink, then induce vomiting and transport immediately to hospital"). It is one of the most toxic non weaponised chemicals in existence.

    The trouble, as is increasingly the case, is that you can't argue with the safety Nazis, even when they're wrong, no matter who's paying them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sidecar bob View Post
    The ministers don't just set about to strip out contaminated houses of their own decisions.
    The govt employ advisers at every level, somebody that still has a job & likely an ulterior motive has fucked this up big time.
    Several years ago, a good mate of mine said, there's nothing harmful in meth fumes, these houses just need a scrub & some paint. they're wasting millions on them.
    That was Nodrog off here & the bugger was spot on.
    The advice they were given was wrong is not an excuse, As the buck stops at the ministers who never questioned it.
    The fact that its okay with you that they wasted likly hundres of millions of dollars is rather telling in that national can do no wrong.
    Gordo clearly needs a job in the national cabinet.

    Quote Originally Posted by jasonu View Post
    It was $80k

    All I see you doing is ragging on what National did in the past.
    I have yet to see you say 'Labour are great because...' or 'Labour made a great decision about...'
    In your defence, as shit as labour is and as shitty a job the lead bint is doing there isn't really anything to praise them for.
    It was 50K as the plane had to fly off the island regardless and it was in the budget anyway they were already only 25% of what National had spent in the same period.
    In answer to claims of what labour did in the past.
    I dont say labour is great on a daily basis as i am not a labour pusher like Ocean was for National.
    Plus due to nationals leader whole limo travel expenses hilarity we have not had the time to even talk about mush else
    I would personally like labour to fix the shambles that the nats made of the HS&E acts that was the knee jerk reaction to Pike river, An event that occurred because the nats gave all the checks and balances to the companies like pike rather than the system that had worked with govt mines inspectors having the power.
    The should also fix the situation where the company reps were able to get out of the court action for wrongful death with illegal payments.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    It's history, dude, known and accepted, your assertions that it's "just opinion" don't change the historical fact that labour changed the tax structure around retirement investment, diverting investments streams into housing and away from the stock market, setting the scene for the "housing crisis" (TM) that they later, (like you) blamed national for. As is the fact that they did so in order to fund their social welfare related election promises. Which is so completely fucked up it's fucking hilarious.

    And yes, immediately reaching for your "shit I can blame national for" folder is so obviously a diversion tactic it's ridiculous, like ponytail pulling and most of the rest of the shit in that folder it has absolutely fuck all to contribute to any discussion about labour's performance RIGHT NOW. It's also pretty much the only response you ever have in any political discussion, to anything whatsoever, it more or less defines you as a labour apologist, and will continue to do so until you learn to actually address the topic in hand.

    So yes, me and my "ilk", (which I take to mean taxpayers) will absolutely identify the bit about John Key, (fuck, you can't even use his name) having benefited from the taxpayer as a child as yet another diversion, another reach into that "shit I can blame national for" folder and write it off completely as any sort of intelligent discussion. I notice, also that you're concern about Key's initial cost to the state, (read taxpayer) doesn't extend to any sort of analysis about how much tax he and his commercial activities subsequently contributed to the economy, or in fact how that compares to how much the average beneficiary subsequently contributes?

    So it's just more of the same old low calorie left wing politics of envy shit you always trot out.
    your claims about the cause of the Aucklnd housing crisis are not backed by the majority of experts you went back 30 years.
    You are the one that immediately reaches for the blame labour card.
    I am not at all concerned about Keys cost to the state as a child. i am not the one going on there is no need for state houses or benefits for the unfortunate.
    I dont go along with the right wing let them eat cake philosophy.



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    Quote Originally Posted by sidecar bob View Post
    Several years ago, a good mate of mine said, there's nothing harmful in meth fumes, these houses just need a scrub & some paint. they're wasting millions on them.
    That was Nodrog off here & the bugger was spot on.
    Thank goodness for Gordie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    AS a KB first as much as it pains me Katspam actually produced something relevant that i agree with.



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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    AS a KB first as much as it pains me Katspam actually produced something relevant that i agree with.
    Aye, as my old boss said, fools never differ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    AS a KB first as much as it pains me Katspam actually produced something relevant that i agree with.
    Conveniently ignoring what the news would be if meth contamination was making families sick, which many simpletons on the 6pm news believed was the reason for their illnesses not so long ago.
    Imagine a govt that failed to act at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sidecar bob View Post
    ....which many simpletons on the 6pm news believed was the reason for their illnesses not so long ago.
    You should probably learn to be a bit more questioning of mainstream media then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sidecar bob View Post
    Conveniently ignoring what the news would be if meth contamination was making families sick, which many simpletons on the 6pm news believed was the reason for their illnesses not so long ago.
    Imagine a govt that failed to act at the time.
    You mean like continually ignoring a housing crisis
    or conveniently ignoring advice against asset sales.
    Or advice from their own mines departments about mining regulations.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    Aye, as my old boss said, fools never differ.
    his fav should have been a fool and his money are soon parted.
    He hired you you worked for him so no wonder you agreed with him, so fair enough, National needs more supporters like you.



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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    While i dont like the dude, he did control the finances over a period in which we had considerable gains in paying off our Debt, while the subsequent nats Govt borrowed to the hilt.
    Correct, they were doing quite well... up to the point where they knew their 9yrs of terror were coming to an end and they petulantly "threw the fiscal toys out of the cot" and wasted all the good work on a broken trainset - which forced the incoming government to borrow.
    Then the two bastards (klerke & Cullen) swindled cushy jobs in the idiot sector.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    Correct, they were doing quite well... up to the point where they knew their 9yrs of terror were coming to an end and they petulantly "threw the fiscal toys out of the cot" and wasted all the good work on a broken trainset - which forced the incoming government to borrow.
    Then the two bastards (klerke & Cullen) swindled cushy jobs in the idiot sector.
    At that stage the broken toyset was only $1
    the money needed to fix it was another matter, granted, but the buying of the rolling stock i think was actually nationals idea?
    The thing was if they didn't buy it and we lost the national rail network where would that leave NZ as or roads are not up to it.
    It was a silly thing selling it off in the first place, that was Labour though (but the ones involved were all later ACT)
    From memory the silver and the copper from the electric lines at the Otira tunnel paid for the purchase price.

    The incoming nats government never had to borrow on account of the toyset though that was on account of the tax cuts ie bribes they had promised their voters.

    Only thing was the tax cuts ended up being paid for by the voters while the only ones that got real tax cuts were big business.
    National borrowed up big during their time in power which is not really what i would call being fiscally responsible
    While the nats will cry GFC, What it was caused by was right wing silliness and bailouts and stupid lending policies.

    i was at a seminar about a month ago where some reps of Kiwi rail gave a talk while it was about safety and staff engagement.
    they mentioned one of their own recent highlights where the rail workshop at Hillside. Hillside had been decimated by changes in Kiwirails purchasing policies under National
    They had asked the staff to come up with ways to lower the turn around time of the servicing. The staff being a bit suspicious, asked for a guarantee that this would be no further staff cuts as a result.
    Guess what by engaging the staff and streamlining the process they identified as being the issues ,Kiwirail staff were able to lower turn around times by 25%.
    Note this never happened under the previous government they just farmed buying stuff from China including would you believe concrete sleepers.
    they even tried to farm out the repairs to chinese labour
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/ind...irs-challenged

    As for chinese steel in bridges
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-z...ails-show.html
    https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/natio...ls-kept-secret
    https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/natio...e-'too-low'

    or these
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/103...nto-steel-mesh



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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    At that stage the broken toyset was only $1
    https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...post1131105796

    It's the same thread FFS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    i was at a seminar about a month ago where some reps of Kiwi rail gave a talk while it was about safety and staff engagement.
    they mentioned one of their own recent highlights where the rail workshop at Hillside. Hillside had been decimated by changes in Kiwirails purchasing policies under National
    Just like clockwork.

    I worked closely with Kiwirail for years, spending time at all of their workshops, including Hillside. The organisation at that level is deeply dysfunctional, has been since the 50's, and that's the single reason it was sold. Not in pursuit of some capitalist agenda, but because it was a financial millstone around any govt's neck, hemorrhaging taxpayer's money from every orifice. I can understand that for idealistic reasons you'd rather it wasn't sold, but generations of governments of different flavours failed to find a way to stem the bleeding, and in desperation the whole shebang was finally amputated as the gangrenous, festering liability it had become.

    What happened subsequently was a lesson in why politicians with zero commercial experience should never, under any circumstances be given any commercial governance responsibility. A sequence of professional international asset management companies, belatedly recognising what they'd bought passed the hot potato on to the next patsy until one of them managed to flog it to the ultimate patsy: back where it came from. Since which it's continued to hemorrhage money. Taxpayer's money, again.

    But let's blame the management. Dude, 90% of the management are tradesmen from the floor, the rest are European immigrant senior tech and business managers stunned at the glacial pace of production and hamstrung by the dysfunctional culture. The single biggest reason the organisation fails at every opportunity is because the RMTU vetos pretty much any and all changes to processes and procedures that have proven to be untenable for generations. They've been directly responsible for the ongoing failure to produce anything remotely resembling a viable product by diligently blocked every proposed improvement since the war, and the rise of safety Nazism has handed them complete control of everything that happens inside those workshops on a plate.

    Now, I'm sure you've got examples showing how it's all the evel capitalist bogyman's fault, but let's make one thing perfectly clear: The two things that differentiate Kiwirail from successful major infrastructure providers worldwide are it's militant union and it's unrelentingly chronic failure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    It was a silly thing selling it off in the first place, that was Labour though (but the ones involved were all later ACT)
    You remember when the saying was "if you want something crushed beyond recognition - send it by rail"? The place has always been a disaster, but you don't spend over half a billion on something that's worthless, you wait until the owner wants to pay YOU to take it off of their hands. Then you buy everything for $1-.
    A business concept entirely lost on the inexperienced leftists'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    You remember when the saying was "if you want something crushed beyond recognition - send it by rail"? The place has always been a disaster, but you don't spend over half a billion on something that's worthless, you wait until the owner wants to pay YOU to take it off of their hands. Then you buy everything for $1-.
    A business concept entirely lost on the inexperienced leftists'.
    My memory as it turns out was faulty
    the *80s Labour government privatized it, but it was National under boulger that sold what was then tranzrail. Not to the highest bidder either.

    The New Zealand Rail sale in 1993 was organised by Fay Richwhite who then proceeded to benefit from it hugely by taking a substantial shareholding – a conflict of interest fit for a post Soviet state. The main shareholders of the purchaser, TranzRail, were Fay Richwhite, Berkshire Fund and Wisconsin Central of the US, and Alex van Heeren. They bought a company which had been freed of debt by a $1.6 billion injection by the Government. The price was $328 million, of which they paid only $107 million and borrowed the rest. According to Brian Gaynor they “were responsible for stripping out $220.9 million of equity in 1993 and $100 million in 1995”(3). By the time they had sold out, they had made total profits of $370 million, mainly tax free because of the lack of capital gains tax, and darkened by accusations of insider trading(4). Under Wisconsin’s management the safety record was appalling (by 2000, fatal accidents for employees were eight times the national average) and reinvestment and maintenance were abysmal, leaving the operation in a crippled state. They sold out to Toll of Australia who similarly failed to maintain the system, and who then sold it back to the Government in two tranches for a total of over $700 million plus ongoing costs to the Government of several hundred million dollars to repair the rail network and replace the antiquated rolling stock. It is difficult to estimate the total costs to the country, but the total cost to the Government will be almost $4 billion(5), greatly magnified by the neglect of the private owners.
    The previous Government has been accused of paying too much for the rail company, and they probably did, but that was just one element of the huge financial and opportunity losses to the people of New Zealand as a result of the privatisation that were evident well before the renationalisation. The story starkly illustrates the difficulty and cost in reversing privatisation once committed. The reason for this seminar is undoubtedly that there is concern that we will soon embark on the next wave of privatisation. In my contribution I will first cover what forms privatisation might take, and what distinguishes privatisation. Privatisation is not simply, or even mostly about better services or efficiency. I’ll cover a little of the background and how a bias towards privatisation is embedded in Government financial rules and accounting systems. Finally, is a strong lobby advocating for privatisation and I will briefly look at who benefits.
    There are few more controversial events in the history of railways in this country than the 1993 sale of New Zealand Rail Ltd to a business consortium led by an American railway company and a local firm of investment advisers.
    Wisconsin Central Transportation was a Chicago-based railway that formed a consortium with Berkshire Partners and New Zealand investment advisers Fay Richwhite & Company to buy the rail and ferry business for $328.2 million.
    It subsequently became Tranz Rail Ltd and was listed on the New Zealand share-market as well as the NASDAQ in the United States.
    Ten years later, as it teetered on the brink of receivership, the business was bought by Australian logistics company, Toll Holdings. In its turn, it found running a commercial railway a challenging proposition and in 2008 sold the rail freight and ferry business back to the Government.
    Unlike the United States and during the first century of railways in Britain, railways in New Zealand had mostly been owned and operated by the Government. Twenty years after the 1993 sale, the private sector experiment continues to divide opinion and generate strong emotions.
    Its strongest critics accuse private-sector owners with running the railway into the ground and walking away with the profits.
    Former Treasury official John Wilson, in a 2010 paper on the privatization experience, takes a somewhat different view. “Two different but very aggressive commercial operators have tried to make money out of New Zealand rail freight and concluded it is not possible”, he wrote.
    The 1993 Railways sale was a political reaction to mounting debt in the years that followed the deregulation of land transport. Trucking companies that had previously been unable to operate over long distances, could from the mid-1980s, compete with rail on equal terms.
    Their share of the freight market grew steadily. Trucks had carried around 50 percent of land transport freight in 1972. By 1993, this had risen to 81 percent.
    The international consultancy firm, Booz Allen Hamilton, engaged by Railways in the mid-1980s to make recommendations on improving the business’s efficiency, estimated deregulation would reduce rail revenues by as much as 25 percent.

    Governments reacted by giving Railways a more commercial structure and greater freedom from political interference.
    It’s a widely held view that as unemployment mounted in the late 1970s and early 1980s, The Government regarded Railways as a useful means of diverting jobless people into work.
    Staff numbers of around 21,000 in the early 1980s had dropped to less than 5000 by the time the business was sold.
    By the late 1980s, the Railways Corporation’s board and management were agreed that private sector ownership was the best way to make the business more successful. The 1990 decision to consolidate the land-holding function into the corporation and create a Government-owned, limited liability company, New Zealand Rail, to run the business, was widely interpreted as a precursor to sale.
    National had replaced Labour in Government by late 1990. Its Cabinet needed some convincing that privatization would not come back to bite it, but by 1992, a process started which led to the investment banking firm Bankers Trust being appointed to manage a sale.
    John Wilson says that the documents of the time reveal two views of what might be achieved by privatization. “There’s a view that privatization would make rail more efficient and therefore viable,” he says.
    “There was an alternative view at the time that rail was in long term decline and that putting it into the private sector would make it less likely that rail could secure Government financial contributions to keep it alive.”
    In his view, the privatisation experience suggested the second theory was the more accurate. As he puts it, “whatever efficiencies were secured by private ownership, they were not enough to make rail commercially viable.”
    Privatisation was controversial from the beginning. Railways was one of a number of unpopular asset sales proposed in response to difficult financial times that are remembered best in the form of Finance Minister Ruth Richardson’s “Mother of all Budgets”.
    When the Wisconsin-led consortium was named as the buyer of New Zealand Rail, the Labour Opposition questioned the process.

    For many unhappy with the outcome of the sale, the role of Fay Richwhite in switching from adviser to buyer has become a popular target. That overlooks the fact that they had withdrawn from an advisory role with Railways within the necessary timeframes and took no part in the determination of the outcome – a job entrusted by the Government to a completely separate advisory firm, Bankers Trust.
    So when Labour Leader Mike Moore rose in Parliament to question the Government the day after the sale had been announced, Fay Richwhite’s role was less in his sights than the fact that the Wisconsin-led consortium was not the highest bidder and there seemed to be no provision for a “Kiwi share”.
    Ruth Richardson countered: “The bids (received) had qualifications, and if those qualifications would have had an adverse impact on the value, the bids were discounted. I can say that the bid that was accepted was top-dollar, it was clean, and it represented the best value for the Crown by a significant margin.”
    On the “Kiwi share” issue, Ruth Richardson assured the House the Government had imposed constraints in the form of retaining rail land in Crown ownership as well as assurances from the consortium about a public share offering and the retention of passenger networks.
    When it came to the reasons for the sale, Ruth Richardson’s answer suggests she was more inclined to John Wilson’s second theory, than his first. “The Opposition will know- because the Labour Government corporatised our railways in 1990- that the New Zealand taxpayer had to swallow $1 billion worth of debt.
    “Since the time of corporatization, not $1 in dividends has gone to the Crown, and there has not been $1 in tax payments.
    “We know that, for New Zealand Rail to play a successful part in a growing economy, it will require hundreds of millions of dollars just from now to the turn of the century, and will require the thick end of $1 billion as we head to the year 2010. The taxpayer is not well placed to make that investment.”
    Tranz Rail’s dual share-market listing came in 1996 after the business had been rebranded. But by this time, the consortium had taken almost $100 million out of the business in the form of a capital repayment, considerably reducing their original equity investment.

    In its early years, Tranz Rail began making the capital investment that Ruth Richardson had said was so badly needed. Despite growing debt levels, the company’s share price continued to rise, reaching $9.00 by 1997.
    During the 1990s the business expanded into new markets, including movement of bulk milk to dairy processing plants and establishment of New Zealand's first inland port. at Wiri south of Auckland, a joint development with the Port of Tauranga.
    Fay Richwhite reduced its shareholdng in 1988 and then in 2001, Wisconsin Central was taken over by Canadian National, a company described by John Wilson as having, “a more aggressive approach to investment”.
    Founding Chairman, Wisconsin Central’s Ed Burkhart was replaced and a new management team, dubbed the “boat people” because of their previous experience in the shipping industry, took control.
    Two parts of the business to suffer were the Auckland and Wellington suburban passenger networks. The Labour Government elected in 1999 stepped in and bought back the Auckland network and then Wellington Railway Station.
    “Tranz Rail’s financial problems were now creating visible shortfalls in the capital asset replacement programme,” wrote John Wilson, “leading to pressure from major users and other stakeholders on the Government to intervene.”
    This took the form of five of Tranz Rail’s biggest customers - accounting for more than half its freight business - forming a lobby group demanding that the rail company lose its monopoly track rights.
    The struggling business also attracted the attention of influential share-broker and media commentator Brian Gaynor. In a 13 July 2002 column in the New Zealand Herald, he asked a number of questions:
    “Does Tranz Rail have creative accounting policies? Did Wisconsin Central and Fay Richwhite sell investors a pup when they sold out this year? What are the company's long-term sustainable earnings and does it have a future?”
    As Tranz Rail’s share price sank to a low of 30 cents, the Government made an offer to buy into the company and take back control of the network infrastructure.
    While negotiations were in progress, Toll Holdings made a $1.10 a share bid for the company and the shareholders opted for the Australian company.
    The Government and Toll then negotiated the sale of the infrastructure to the Crown for $1 and a National Rail Access Agreement giving the company long term exclusive access to the network. For its part, the Government agreed to contribute $200 million towards infrastructure upgrades.
    Toll pledged $100 million in rolling stock investment and agreed to pay the full capital and operating costs associated with using the network.
    In September 2004, ownership and management of the network and its assets was vested in the existing Railway Corporation, which adopted the trading name ONTRACK.
    But Toll found it was not immune to the challenges that faced Tranz Rail. As John Wilson puts it: “the long term decline in the economics of New Zealand rail freight soon reasserted itself, and Toll concluded it was unable to pay the full costs of the track.”
    A lengthy wrangle between Toll and ONTRACK followed which ended in stalemate and frustration. While Treasury investigated a number of variations on the existing ownership model, ONTRACK developed a proposal for the Government to buy Toll’s rail and ferry businesses.
    The Government chose the purchase option and after protracted negotiations with Toll, bought the business in 2008 for $665 million.
    John Wilson’s verdict on Tranz Rail provides a useful commentary on the whole private sector experiment.
    “The decline in investment in the late Tranz Rail period was a commercial reaction to first of all, the fact that investment in rail was not a good commercial use of funds and subsequently to the fact that Tranz Rail was running out of cash,” he says.
    “The shareholders’ withdrawal of equity in 1995 was also no doubt commercially rational to the then Tranz Rail shareholders but damaged the perception of private owners as reliable stewards of utilities.

    “In the end, the public was not looking for such a hard-nosed commercial approach to rail investment. It would appear the public is prepared to subsidise rail freight if that is necessary to keep it operating.”
    Tranz Rail’s founding Chairman Ed Burkhart had a different view, influenced perhaps by his side-lining. In a September 2001 email he said that Tranz Rail's then management had "no competency in running railways".
    As a shareholder he said he was seeing progressively weaker financial returns while the New Zealand economy was quite robust. In his view, it was sad that privatisation would be blamed for problems with rail services, when the real problem was "poor management".
    The early architect of the railway network, Sir Julius Vogel regarded railways as a nation builder rather than a business. His views were echoed some 50 years later in the 1925 New Zealand Government Year Book: “The railways in New Zealand have never been regarded, or run, as a profitmaking concern,” it said.
    “Even if practicable, there is little doubt that such a policy would not meet with the approval of the public, nor would it bring about any material improvement in the condition of affairs as a whole.”
    By the year 2000, Railways was a very different beast to the nation-builder of Vogel’s day or the universal carrier of 1925.
    But the rail network remained an important supplement to other forms of transport and as the best means of moving particular goods and people. The large customers who had lobbied against Tranz Rail in 2002 and 2003, were to re-emerge as strong supporters of a return to public ownership in 2008.
    Sources: A Short History of Privatisation in New Zealand, John Wilson, 2010; New Zealand Herald; New Zealand Parliamentary Hansard; New Zealand Official Year Book; New Zealand Railways, the First 125 Years, David Leitch and Bob Stott, 1988.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    Just like clockwork.

    I worked closely with Kiwirail for years, spending time at all of their workshops, including Hillside. The organisation at that level is deeply dysfunctional, has been since the 50's, and that's the single reason it was sold. Not in pursuit of some capitalist agenda, but because it was a financial millstone around any govt's neck, hemorrhaging taxpayer's money from every orifice. I can understand that for idealistic reasons you'd rather it wasn't sold, but generations of governments of different flavours failed to find a way to stem the bleeding, and in desperation the whole shebang was finally amputated as the gangrenous, festering liability it had become.

    What happened subsequently was a lesson in why politicians with zero commercial experience should never, under any circumstances be given any commercial governance responsibility. A sequence of professional international asset management companies, belatedly recognising what they'd bought passed the hot potato on to the next patsy until one of them managed to flog it to the ultimate patsy: back where it came from. Since which it's continued to hemorrhage money. Taxpayer's money, again.

    But let's blame the management. Dude, 90% of the management are tradesmen from the floor, the rest are European immigrant senior tech and business managers stunned at the glacial pace of production and hamstrung by the dysfunctional culture. The single biggest reason the organisation fails at every opportunity is because the RMTU vetos pretty much any and all changes to processes and procedures that have proven to be untenable for generations. They've been directly responsible for the ongoing failure to produce anything remotely resembling a viable product by diligently blocked every proposed improvement since the war, and the rise of safety Nazism has handed them complete control of everything that happens inside those workshops on a plate.

    Now, I'm sure you've got examples showing how it's all the evel capitalist bogyman's fault, but let's make one thing perfectly clear: The two things that differentiate Kiwirail from successful major infrastructure providers worldwide are it's militant union and it's unrelentingly chronic failure.
    It was the 80's labour goverment that got rid of 75% of the NZR employees that National under muldoon had used to control thr unemployment rate.
    it was the asset stripping subsequent to Privitisation that resulted in the failure of Tranzrail it was nothing to do with Labour or leftest polices it all occurred under nationals noses using right wing ideals and management stuctures.
    You only need to look at what happened to the south island roads after the Kiakoura earthquake to realise how important rail is.
    Its of great national importance to have the freight carried off our piss poor designed and maintained roading infrastructure.



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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    My memory as it turns out was faulty
    the *80s Labour government privatized it, but it was National under boulger that sold what was then tranzrail. Not to the highest bidder either.





    It was the 80's labour goverment that got rid of 75% of the NZR employees that National under muldoon had used to control thr unemployment rate.
    it was the asset stripping subsequent to Privitisation that resulted in the failure of Tranzrail it was nothing to do with Labour or leftest polices it all occurred under nationals noses using right wing ideals and management stuctures.
    You only need to look at what happened to the south island roads after the Kiakoura earthquake to realise how important rail is.
    Its of great national importance to have the freight carried off our piss poor designed and maintained roading infrastructure.
    Classic spin.

    You're talking shit, NZR was a liability before it was sold, it was a liability as a private venture and it was a liability when labour bought bit back. Still is.
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