The 2017 Election Thread

[husaberg]

Yeah, nah. Old mate definitely says "mine" if you read the first two lines.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/polit...ew-little.html

Yes the drive is part of the mine. But thats not where the coal or the miners were.
its the stone tunnel that leads to the coal seam.
it crosses a fault line thats where they think the rockfall is..
There is no way through this for pretty obvious reasons.

National deemed it far too unsafe to enter the drive

Any attempts to go further require signing off from worksafe there are plans but thats all they are.
the only promise made to the victims was to attempt to enter the drive not the pit.

[jasonu]

I am only pointing out what they clearly did and its effects
But seeing the whole point of this threads about blaiming the current Goverment it seems a bit contrite to assume it should be one way traffic only.

Not blaming the current government just pointing out all the incompetency, the fuck ups and the dumb shit they are currently (almost daily) doing and it seams there is a never ending supply of ammo to do so.

[Voltaire]

Not blaming the current government just pointing out all the incompetency, the fuck ups and the dumb shit they are currently (almost daily) doing and it seams there is a never ending supply of ammo to do so.

Double stitched or ore?
Your right about the current Govt ( where you live).
SNL has some tough competition these days.

[Swoop]

Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
I think you will find thats not the case.
Auckland cant even supply its own water or power or gas or coal or raw ingredients.
Manufacturing is just convenient in Auckland as its the largest consumer of goods.

Auckland quite happily supplies its own water (the sensible parts do this...). Power & gas we know come from elsewhere.
Now, as for manufacturing. It isn't the local consumer market that makes manufacturing "convenient" but the supply chain and labour force. Port access, infrastructure, subcontractors, expertise, etc, etc. All in one "hub".
Why did so many companies relocate here? CHCH earthquake meant lots of companies moved north, and not just because of the wobbly ground.

Quite frankly I'm against so much industry based in Auckland as it can be happily conducted in the regions, supplying work in those areas, while adding to the congestion of NZ's Capital city (Wellington is just the cith where the lunatics in the circular wind tunnel are kept).

Go in borrow up huge and increase NZ debt and sell off anything Kiwis own that they can get their greasey hands on.

they diid this while screwing over SOE's

SOE's are a liability since they pretend to be a real company, but get straddled with all the bad things that a government department bring with them, namely inefficiency, bureaucracy & ineptitude. The result is less than optimal.
If you look at the very worst examples you are looking at the Chinese SOE's which are a huge reason for their poor economic performance and a staggeringly huge liability.

[husaberg]

Not blaming the current government just pointing out all the incompetency, the fuck ups and the dumb shit they are currently (almost daily) doing and it seams there is a never ending supply of ammo to do so.

Okay neither am i then

[husaberg]

Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
I think you will find thats not the case.
Auckland cant even supply its own water or power or gas or coal or raw ingredients.
Manufacturing is just convenient in Auckland as its the largest consumer of goods.
Auckland quite happily supplies its own water (the sensible parts do this...). Power & gas we know come from elsewhere.
Now, as for manufacturing. It isn't the local consumer market that makes manufacturing "convenient" but the supply chain and labour force. Port access, infrastructure, subcontractors, expertise, etc, etc. All in one "hub".
Why did so many companies relocate here? CHCH earthquake meant lots of companies moved north, and not just because of the wobbly ground.
Quite frankly I'm against so much industry based in Auckland as it can be happily conducted in the regions, supplying work in those areas, while adding to the congestion of NZ's Capital city (Wellington is just the cith where the lunatics in the circular wind tunnel are kept).
SOE's are a liability since they pretend to be a real company, but get straddled with all the bad things that a government department bring with them, namely inefficiency, bureaucracy & ineptitude. The result is less than optimal.
If you look at the very worst examples you are looking at the Chinese SOE's which are a huge reason for their poor economic performance and a staggeringly huge liability.

So if Auckland can suppy all its own water whats that pipeline to the Waikato river for.
Covience is not a reason the rest of NZ couldn't survive without Auckland which was the original point i believe you made.
SOE have extra burdens on them true, as its in the charter to behave responsably.
If other companies behaved responasbly there would be no need for the Health and safety rules nationed forced apon the nation as a knee jeck reaction to cover theie own incompetence as well as that of the Pike river company and board.

[Swoop]

So if Auckland can suppy all its own water whats that pipeline to the Waikato river for.
Covience is not a reason the rest of NZ couldn't survive without Auckland which was the original point i believe you made.
If other companies behaved responasbly there would be no need for the Health and safety rules nationed forced apon the nation as a knee jeck reaction to cover theie own incompetence as well as that of the Pike river company and board.

The water supply is self-sustaining in some areas, others (mainly central) rely on the festering Waikato swamp water to use in their latte... But a distraction from the point and will be ignored from now on.

I have no idea what "Covience" is, but guess you mean "convenience"?
The "economies of scale" are important for a business, as well as supply and location to transport networks. It would be much nicer to have companies out in the regions, but hey, Auckland has its superb appeal that none can resist.
Especially those from small towns who have to add "Vegas" into their nicknames to make them sound partially appealing.

As for the H&S rules "nationed forced apon the nation as a knee jeck reaction" you do know that H&S has been in existence far longer than the previous government's term? They changed the H&S regime away from the American model to something far more user-friendly and was based on the UK model.


It's nice to see the call for Liarbour to get "less hui & more do-ey" from business though. No wonder the lack of business confidence is in evidence and the inept liarbour leadership is showing the lies they told to get into power.

[husaberg]

The water supply is self-sustaining in some areas, others (mainly central) rely on the festering Waikato swamp water to use in their latte... But a distraction from the point and will be ignored from now on.

I have no idea what "Covience" is, but guess you mean "convenience"?
The "economies of scale" are important for a business, as well as supply and location to transport networks. It would be much nicer to have companies out in the regions, but hey, Auckland has its superb appeal that none can resist.
Especially those from small towns who have to add "Vegas" into their nicknames to make them sound partially appealing.

As for the H&S rules "nationed forced apon the nation as a knee jeck reaction" you do know that H&S has been in existence far longer than the previous government's term? They changed the H&S regime away from the American model to something far more user-friendly and was based on the UK model.


It's nice to see the call for Liarbour to get "less hui & more do-ey" from business though. No wonder the lack of business confidence is in evidence and the inept liarbour leadership is showing the lies they told to get into power.

As i have stated Auckland can not supply all their own water, trying to word it in such away as in some areas makes this pretty clear.

It was convienence.

No you will find the Mines rules were changed considerably post Pike as a knee jeck reaction by National.
Perhaps you should read what was posted.https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...post1131111935
It was also national that changed the rules that resulted in the pike incident in the first place against considerable expert advice.
Also you still have not yet told us all why the rest of NZ could not survive without Auckland.

[Katman]

It was convienece.

Try again.

[jasonu]

the inept liarbour leadership is showing the lies they told to get into power.

I don't think they out and out lied, more like they made a bunch of pie in the sky promises without first checking if they could actually follow through. The lies really began after the election.

[sidecar bob]

I don't think they out and out lied, more like they made a bunch of pie in the sky promises without first checking if they could actually follow through. The lies really began after the election.

Voters should be wary of big promises, because the incoming Govt has no idea how much they have to spend. Most people hear the hollow promise & rush off to the polling booths.
To be fair, in this particular case it wasn't the majority that believed them though.
Only 36 percent voted for these current idiots, which says more for the people's intelligence than the Govt's.

[Ocean1]

Voters should be wary of big promises, because the incoming Govt has no idea how much they have to spend. Most people hear the hollow promise & rush off to the polling booths.
To be fair, in this particular case it wasn't the majority that believed them though.
Only 36 percent voted for these current idiots, which says more for the people's intelligence than the Govt's.

What gets me is the fact that it's the people that most loudly demanded previous governments paid for shit that should be an individual's responsibility that are now defending pretty much the same outcomes from this govt.

I quite like Ardern, I really appreciated the "relentlessly positive" attitude. Unfortunately, she's only positive in pursuing the same old union driven expectation that "the system" (taxpayer) needs to be responsible for outcomes directly driven by individual decisions.

In the 60 seconds of her speech at the UN that I was exposed to she expressed the "must listen to those who are disillusioned with capitalism" mantra at least 3 different ways. I've listened a bunch, you hear little else from the press nowadays, and what I hear is: "Give me money someone else earned". I'd rather the reply was "this is how you earn your own" instead of demanding that those who already supply most of the tax produce even more, simply so other's don't have to.

[Swoop]

I don't think they out and out lied, more like they made a bunch of pie in the sky promises without first checking if they could actually follow through. The lies really began after the election.

I put:
"we are going to build 10,000 houses"
We are going to solve "child poverty"
We will end homelessness

straight into the blatant lie category, among others they spouted out to suck in stupid voters.

Also you still have not yet told us all why the rest of NZ could not survive without Auckland.

If you are unable to see what is produced in Auckland (from supplies obtained from the regions and elsewhere) then you must believe in self-sufficiency.
If Wellingtown was wiped out, we would lose out on bureaucracy, but if Auckland goes...

In the 60 seconds of her speech at the UN that I was exposed to she expressed the "must listen to those who are disillusioned with capitalism" mantra at least 3 different ways.

Thank fuck that older dopey cunt didn't get into the top job at the UN. Social engineering would have gone even higher on the weird agenda that the UN already has.

[husaberg]

I put:
If you are unable to see what is produced in Auckland (from supplies obtained from the regions and elsewhere) then you must believe in self-sufficiency.
If Wellingtown was wiped out, we would lose out on bureaucracy, but if Auckland goes...

Thats not an answer to why so desperately the rest of NZ needs Auckland to survive.

What is it that is so critical Auckland produces that the rest of the counties cant live without or import from Aussie, China, Taiwan. Korea anyway?

As you already admitted the supplies are not obtained from Auckland but the regions.
as is the power, water, gas so it seems you even acknowledge its not the rest of the country that needs Auckland but its actually Auckland that needs the rest of the country.
Especially considering most of what is produced in the regions as primary production is actually exported.

[Ocean1]

Thats not an answer to why so desperately the rest of NZ needs Auckland to survive.
What is it that is so critical Auckland produces that the rest of the counties cant live without or import from Aussie, China, Taiwan. Korea.

Looks to me like Orks gets less than their share of tax.

I notice too that the west coast gets more than southland, which is twice the size. Maybe they don't whine enough.