The 2017 Election Thread

**husaberg** · 8th October 2018, 18:16

Originally Posted by sidecar bob

Why did our Prime Minister say on national news tonight that only 7 cents per litre on fuel was tax?
Is she a bare faced liar? Does she think the majority of voters are stupid?
Opinions please.

AA says............

The fuel excise portion includes:

63.024 cents - National Land Transport Fund
6 cents - ACC Motor Vehicle Account
0.66 cents - Local Authorities Fuel Tax
0.3 cents - Petroleum or Engine Fuels Monitoring Levy

In addition, GST is collected on the overall price of fuel including excise.
Fuel excise (petrol)

In Auckland, an additional 10 cent per litre Regional Fuel Tax is levied on all petrol and diesel sold in the Auckland region (from 1 July 2018).

the bulk is a levy like ACC it can only be spend on what its accrued from ie ACC or transport funding.

One the same subject here is 433 of John Keys lies
https://thestandard.org.nz/the-great...-lies-updated/

**jasonu** · 9th October 2018, 02:17

Originally Posted by Voltaire

Are they the ones who are on $15 an hour, or work at Amazon Fulfillment Centres, or driving miles to get to work in Silicon Valley as they can't afford the rent there?

Na just your usual whingers that don't know when they already have it good.

**jasonu** · 9th October 2018, 02:18

Originally Posted by sidecar bob

Why did our Prime Minister say on national news tonight that only 7 cents per litre on fuel was tax?
Is she a bare faced liar? Does she think the majority of voters are stupid?
Opinions please.

I took it as the 7 cents mentioned was the governments portion of the more recent increases.

**Ocean1** · 9th October 2018, 07:37

Originally Posted by sidecar bob

Why did our Prime Minister say on national news tonight that only 7 cents per litre on fuel was tax?
Is she a bare faced liar? Does she think the majority of voters are stupid?
Opinions please.

No idea. If that's what she said she's obviously wrong, though I suspect it might have been one of those misdirections easily explained if called out but convincing for the bulk of the audience in the meantime.

I wonder why it's not more widely reported how hypocritical it is to be calling out oil companies for abusing a monopoly position by increasing petrol prices with little correlation to fair market rates when, as the ultimate monopoly you've just increased the price of petrol through taxes even more without a passing thought about fair market rates.

If I wanted to break a monopoly I'd be organising some competition, starting with finding some suitable sites for Gull wherever they're not currently active, starting to re-construct a "NZ Petroleum Ltd" shelf company and maybe buying up some of the industrial land abandoned by oil companies around ports nationwide, just to have sitting there in case the existing outfits didn't get the hint. You can imagine what the green tinged part of the govt might say about that though.

**mashman** · 9th October 2018, 11:11

Originally Posted by sidecar bob

Why did our Prime Minister say on national news tonight that only 7 cents per litre on fuel was tax?
Is she a bare faced liar? Does she think the majority of voters are stupid?
Opinions please.

Maybe it's not seen as tax. Maybe she sees it as a duty or tariff or some other cool name that means tax, but doesn't actually mean tax.

**Ocean1** · 9th October 2018, 16:34

It's looking grim boys.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/105...-will-be-spent

"Phil Twyford (sic) has two more annual increases in petrol taxes and road user charges in the pipeline, and said the increased fuel taxes would fund $5 billion of investment over the next decade.

During the same period, the Government is planning to spend $4b from the NLTF on busway and light rail infrastructure."

**sidecar bob** · 9th October 2018, 17:41

Originally Posted by Ocean1

It's looking grim boys.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/105...-will-be-spent

"Phil Twyford (sic) has two more annual increases in petrol taxes and road user charges in the pipeline, and said the increased fuel taxes would fund $5 billion of investment over the next decade.

During the same period, the Government is planning to spend $4b from the NLTF on busway and light rail infrastructure."

My scooter just looks better and better every day. plus, I'm helping to reduce congestion, and I'm not taking any life out of the roads I travel on, particularly compared to the empty half hourly bus that travels my suburb, which is virtually solely responsible for knackering the two roundabouts it goes around.
When will the govt make LAMS bikes tax exempt & cheap rego to encourage personal frugality.

**Ocean1** · 9th October 2018, 18:34

Originally Posted by sidecar bob

My scooter just looks better and better every day. plus, I'm helping to reduce congestion, and I'm not taking any life out of the roads I travel on, particularly compared to the empty half hourly bus that travels my suburb, which is virtually solely responsible for knackering the two roundabouts it goes around.
When will the govt make LAMS bikes tax exempt & cheap rego to encourage personal frugality.

I agree, make owning a LAMS bike free. The LAMS threshold is already there, and they represent a currently available solution that demonstrably works right now, as opposed to the hopelessly misanthropic shit the greens insist will work if only we poke enough money at it. Kick the fucking bicyclists off their wee free green roads and give 'em to the scooters while you're at it.

Don't even start on the empty buses. There's half empty trains going past my place even at peak traffic times, they're just too fucking expensive. And not particularly environmentally beneficial when they're full. Fucking clowns.

**Voltaire** · 9th October 2018, 19:16

I'd ride an E bike if they had separate lanes that kept cars well away from me.

I like the idea of no cars in the CBD.

**sidecar bob** · 9th October 2018, 19:38

Originally Posted by Ocean1

I agree, make owning a LAMS bike free. The LAMS threshold is already there, and they represent a currently available solution that demonstrably works right now, as opposed to the hopelessly misanthropic shit the greens insist will work if only we poke enough money at it. Kick the fucking bicyclists off their wee free green roads and give 'em to the scooters while you're at it.

Don't even start on the empty buses. There's half empty trains going past my place even at peak traffic times, they're just too fucking expensive. And not particularly environmentally beneficial when they're full. Fucking clowns.

In Amsterdam, scooters with a certain colour number plate which are limited to 30kmh may use the cycle ways.
Beautiful smooth running city full of windswept interesting people mingling all sorts of economical personal transport with trams.
These Axiam microcars are plentiful too.

**Ocean1** · 9th October 2018, 19:41

Originally Posted by Voltaire

I'd ride an E bike if they had separate lanes that kept cars well away from me.

I like the idea of no cars in the CBD.

Me too. If they made them to carry big fuckoff lumps of equipment. And tools an' shit.

And if they didn't burn more coal per mile charging the fuckers than a traction engine.

And if disposing of the batteries safely didn't involve science we don't have.

But yep, no cars is a great idea. Would shake a couple of better solutions loose in no time. That, or we'd all starve to death in half a year.

**Ocean1** · 9th October 2018, 19:50

Originally Posted by sidecar bob

In Amsterdam, scooters with a certain colour number plate which are limited to 30kmh may use the cycle ways.
Beautiful smooth running city full of windswept interesting people mingling all sorts of economical personal transport with trams.
These Axiam microcars are plentiful too.

Yep. Fuck the transport tell us more about the windswept interesting people...

**husaberg** · 9th October 2018, 20:19

Originally Posted by Ocean1

If I wanted to break a monopoly I'd be organising some competition, starting with finding some suitable sites for Gull wherever they're not currently active, starting to re-construct a "NZ Petroleum Ltd" shelf company and maybe buying up some of the industrial land abandoned by oil companies around ports nationwide, just to have sitting there in case the existing outfits didn't get the hint. You can imagine what the green tinged part of the govt might say about that though.

Sounds like you want to set up a state run petrol company comrade.
almost like a petrol version of kiwibank
It kind of goes against free market ideals though
Didnt late 70 or early 80's national freeze prices