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    Quote Originally Posted by sidecar bob View Post
    As many votes as you can afford. That would sway the vote in favour of the biggest taxpayers, as opposed to the most obese taxpayers, which surely is what the country needs.
    There's a name for the effect whereby control inputs, (fiscal policy) result in outcomes, (economic prosperity) that require more input, which results in more untenable outcomes, which require.........

    It's called a positive feedback loop. And asking people who contribute fuck all who's money should be spent on services they'll personally benefit from falls into exactly that category. Look at the news source of your choice, it's wall to wall "need more money over here" and never the slightest hint of where that money comes from, or if that's where it would be best spent to effect a sustainable return.

    When you find the arse coming around a bit much mid corner as the result being a bit heavy handed then giving it a bit more results in the opportunity for a valuable lesson. Which works for most individuals, they learn. As a society, though we never seem to learn what happens if you ignore the effort/return thing by allowing greedy socialist concepts to influence policy. There's been lots of crashes caused by socialism, usually well after it's obvious it's losing the race, but a then a few years later some fuckwit's at it again: Oh look, he's got far more than me, that's not fair, i reckon we should share that out!

    If there's a problem with buying votes using you're own money then how much more of a problem is it when you're using someone else's?
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    Winston Peters has a wicked sense of humour


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    Quote Originally Posted by Banditbandit View Post
    Winston Peters has a wicked sense of humour
    I like Winston. Sometimes his politics and policies irritate the hell out of me and I won't vote for him, but I still like having him in parliament. This is one of the good bits.

    I mean, he's got a beehive and a decent stick. Let's poke it...

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    As for Paula's comments this morning - that has "improper donation I know nothing about" waggling its eyebrows. And she gets to fit a character assassination attempt into the same statement.

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    can tell she can't wait for the police to get involved or to run their own investigation, she wants the job and by default is the easiest way


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    Quote Originally Posted by Scubbo View Post
    can tell she can't wait for the police to get involved or to run their own investigation, she wants the job and by default is the easiest way
    I don't think I've ever seen that totally glazed look on a "supportive" deputy leader before. Did she actually make eye contact with anyone in that room? She glanced at Simon when he started answering most questions, but quickly zoned back out when the answer headed toward the agreed PR statement. A couple of who-asked-that style looks to the press. Otherwise nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taxythingy View Post
    I don't think I've ever seen that totally glazed look on a "supportive" deputy leader before. Did she actually make eye contact with anyone in that room? She glanced at Simon when he started answering most questions, but quickly zoned back out when the answer headed toward the agreed PR statement. A couple of who-asked-that style looks to the press. Otherwise nothing.
    Yes, either mentally doing her shopping list or there under duress.

    Vote buying has it's current iteration in the US. Corporations recognised as having the rights of individuals, it's only a matter of time before they want the vote outright rather than buying candidates as at present.

    A ceiling on party spending is a better idea. If donations can't be accepted, it'll be interesting to see what comes next as an influence buying tool....

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    Quote Originally Posted by sidecar bob View Post
    As many votes as you can afford. That would sway the vote in favour of the biggest taxpayers, as opposed to the most obese taxpayers, which surely is what the country needs.

    We both know Big business in NZ pay bugger all tax. the biggest tax payers in NZ are the av plebs.
    Nats get far more donations than any other party. Probably 3x as much.
    They should limit the funding of the parties. either that or just live with the fact that people buy votes with donations.
    last time i looked there were some pretty big donations to national from Aucklands largest real estate company and one of the biggest motel chains year in year out
    But what is new is that under National it now only costs 100K to buy yourself an MP. plus you get a free diner but its BYO wine.
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/polit...versation.html



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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    But what is new is that under National it now only costs 100K to buy yourself an MP. plus you get a free diner but its BYO wine.
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/polit...versation.html
    $100k wouldn't buy you shit let alone an MP.

    Where in the transcript did it say that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbonhed View Post
    $100k wouldn't buy you shit let alone an MP.

    Where in the transcript did it say that?
    Near the end.
    before he went on to say one of his MPs were F-ing useless
    Along with 5 others
    the 100K donation was for another Chinese MP.
    Amonst other things its a pretty good investment a back bencher earns 150K /year even if they are f-ing useless.
    the younger of those was going to nat candidate college. ( no strings of course)
    They had to be Chinese as they are more valuable than a Indian.



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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    Near the end.
    before he went on to say one of his MPs were F-ing useless
    Along with 5 others
    the 100K donation was for another Chinese MP.
    Amonst other things its a pretty good investment a back bencher earns 150K /year even if they are f-ing useless.
    the younger of those was going to nat candidate college. ( no strings of course)
    They had to be Chinese as they are more valuable than a Indian.
    Horseshit.

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    Only if horseshit is Chinese herbal medicine

    Ross: Hey you know at Paul Goldsmith's function you saw those two Chinese guys, Zhang Yikun and Colin? You had dinner at their home?
    Bridges: Yes.
    Ross: They talked to you about a $100,000 donation…
    Bridges: Yep.
    Ross: That is now in.
    Bridges: Fantastic.
    Ross: What would you like done with it? It's currently sitting in a Botany electorate account.
    Bridges: Yeah that's good, I'd need to… I'd say, by the way, on that, just before we get to that. I promised them that we would have dinner at my place, that you should come. I mean, we might as well make a bit of fun of it. The only thing that would be good is if they brought the wine because they've got better wine…​ When I move into my new house so that's probably…we've got to sell ours. It could be earlier but it's probably around September so we should make good on that because otherwise I've lied to them, because I've said it a couple of times now. We should definitely do that.
    Look, I just think we want it for... the advertisements and the like... we want it for the things that we're going to need to do over the next year or so, sort of outside of the- not outside of the party but...
    ………………………….
    Ross: Yeah they're good people. Now there's no catch or anything to it. You may recall at the dinner they did discuss candidacy, and another Chinese candidate.
    Bridges: Two MPs, yeah.
    Ross: Colin Zhang? The younger one, he's put his name in for Candidates' College and so I assume he'll get through and we'll make some decisions as a Party further down the track as to what we want to do with candidates.
    Bridges: I mean, it's like all these things, it's bloody hard. You've only got so much space. Depends where we're polling, you know? All that sort of thing… two Chinese would be nice, but would it be one Chinese or one Filipino? What do we do?
    The conversation was around how it would be to have the two Chinese people that Bridges dined with - Yikun Zhang and Colin Zheng - on the National Party list. Ross says the donation came from Yikun Zhang, but there was no suggestion that the Chinese businessman had done anything wrong.
    Colin Zheng is the manager of KCC Construction, a company owned by Zhang Yikun.
    Bridges said having two Chinese MPs would be "nice", but putting them on the list and keeping everyone happy would be "bloody hard".
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12144135



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    Whats the difference between a say 100K donation and a bribe?

    Maybe instead of doing the hard yards to become an MP seats could be set up along similar lines to some of the other seats....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire View Post
    Whats the difference between a say 100K donation and a bribe?
    Anything extorted by the conniving Tory pricks from the ill-gotten gains of a greedy commercial arsehole is a bribe.

    Hard earned contributions from the founding union fathers, doughty warriors agin' the capitalist scum and protectors of the Bolshevist faith is a donation.

    All clear?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    Anything extorted by the conniving Tory pricks from the ill-gotten gains of a greedy commercial arsehole is a bribe.

    Hard earned contributions from the founding union fathers, doughty warriors again' the capitalist scum and protectors of the Bolshevist faith is a donation.

    All clear?
    Couldn't have put it better myself. Welcome to the light brother....

    Must be difficult though, watching the nats self-destruct.

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