The 2017 Election Thread

[husaberg]

Right, glad you're happy with treasury data showing high earners supply disproportionately more of the tax take.

Now you just need to explain how a less than high earner pays more GST, 'cause I reckon you've got that fucking backwards too.

And let's just skirt the relative contributions in company tax ,withholding tax and excise tax, eh, 'cause I'm pretty sure even you can't pretend that's mostly extorted from the poor.

Oh I agree completely, bad indeed. Those fuckers need to get their shit together and not depend on the taxpayer to support them.

See, we agree on most things after all. Except you really do got to reign in that "but national" shtick, that shit's just pathetic.

No the treasury data as i have pointed out three times now is only part of the taxation story you used the data and tried to apply it as a whole to support your rhetoric
I posted the GST data you ignore it as it paints a different story
You ignore the tax gains from capital gains available under home ownership, which decreased by 10% under National. paying rent is the same as pissing it away.
You seek to say the poor pay less tax but forget there is far more of the poor peasants.
When the place where most kiwis live requires the couple to earn twice the av income to buy a house its not the peoples fault its the system is broken.

The riches contribution smaller than compared to other part of the world i showed this you ignored it. You did this while claiming they pay to much.
You forget the votes of those who earn less than 150K per year are both far more numerous and yet have the same value as the ones who earn over 150K.
Whats dragging this country down is the old coots like you who have outlived there usefulness to society.
Dont worry next time Nats get in there will be a plan in place to prevent it.

[Swoop]

But Labour are doing what you suggested was a great idea building far more on the same footprint only you are moaning about it now being a bad thing.

Incorrect. I'm pointing out the "selling off houses" headline is instant whinge-bait for the leftists.
However, When the red-menace do it there is nothing but the sound of tumbleweeds blowing by. Hypocrisy 101.

...yet to try out Limes.

It seems you will encounter a dose of ACC Poisoning and end up with 80% income while doing fuck all to earn it...

[husaberg]

Incorrect. I'm pointing out the "selling off houses" headline is instant whinge-bait for the leftists.
However, When the red-menace do it there is nothing but the sound of tumbleweeds blowing by. Hypocrisy 101.
.

No you posted some crap headline but never read the article
What made it even funnier was they were actuaslly doing the same thing you claimed only a day before national had done. Only thing was it was not national something national didother than talk about it.
You are the epitome of the hypocritical right whinger as normally characterised by ocean

[Ocean1]

No the treasury data as i have pointed out three times now is only part of the taxation story you used the data and tried to apply it as a whole to support your rhetoric
I posted the GST data you ignore it as it paints a different story
You ignore the tax gains from capital gains available under home ownership, which decreased by 10% under National. paying rent is the same as pissing it away.
You seek to say the poor pay less tax but forget there is far more of the poor peasants.
When the place where most kiwis live requires the couple to earn twice the av income to buy a house its not the peoples fault its the system is broken.
The riches contribution smaller than compared to other part of the world i showed this you ignored it. You did this while claiming they pay to much.
You forget the votes of those who earn less than 150K per year are both far more numerous and yet have the same value as the ones who earn over 150K.
Whats dragging this country down is the old coots like you who have outlived there usefulness to society.
Dont worry next time Nats get in there will be a plan in place to prevent it.

Nope, you posted a graph showing that the poor pay more tax AS A PERCENTAGE OF THE PITTANCE OF TAX THEY DO PAY.

FFS, do you really believe this bullshit isn't transparently contrived to promote the lie that the rich are the bogyman, here?

As for capital gains tax: nobody is reauired to pay it. The fact that offends you isn't really reason enough to retrospectively blame anyone for not paying it ffs.

And yes, I not only seek to say the poor pay less tax, I insist that it's a fact: they not only pay less tax individually but they pay less tax a group. And none of your spin changes that a jot.

And what's other countries tax policies got to do with it? The only salient comparison there is that the poor pay less everywhere.

And if you're going to blame governments for the price of housing in auckland then I'v already demonstrated that it was labour policy changes that largely drove that.

But I guess if you expect govt to hand you everything on a fucking plate then the only possible way as an individual you're not going to look like a complete loser is to blame national.

Fill yer boots, all it's succeeding in doing is highlighting your dramatically distorted socialist prejudices.

[husaberg]

Nope, you posted a graph showing that the poor pay more tax AS A PERCENTAGE OF THE PITTANCE OF TAX THEY DO PAY.

FFS, do you really believe this bullshit isn't transparently contrived to promote the lie that the rich are the bogyman, here?

As for capital gains tax: nobody is reauired to pay it. The fact that offends you isn't really reason enough to retrospectively blame anyone for not paying it ffs.

And yes, I not only seek to say the poor pay less tax, I insist that it's a fact: they not only pay less tax individually but they pay less tax a group. And none of your spin changes that a jot.

And what's other countries tax policies got to do with it? The only salient comparison there is that the poor pay less everywhere.

And if you're going to blame governments for the price of housing in auckland then I'v already demonstrated that it was labour policy changes that largely drove that.

But I guess if you expect govt to hand you everything on a fucking plate then the only possible way as an individual you're not going to look like a complete loser is to blame national.

Fill yer boots, all it's succeeding in doing is highlighting your dramatically distorted socialist prejudices.

You win the internet mr Pigeon.

It shouldn't surprise me you cant comprehend basic facts and data considering you cant process now a year later that national lost the last election
They will also lose the next one.

[Ocean1]

You win the internet mr Pigeon.

It shouldn't surprise me you ccant comprehend basic facts and data considering you cant process now a year later that national lost the last election
They will also lose the next one.

I'm not trying to win anything, I'm just reiterating the basic fact that high earners pay most of the tax take, in spite of your transparent bullshit in trying to prove otherwise by making shit up.

And yet again: they didn't lose the election, they lost the subsequent circus act. Which is why I can criticise the current outfit with complete impunity, not only are they the lesser option but they're not my monkeys, and this is not my circus.

But national, eh?

[husaberg]

I'm not trying to win anything, I'm just reiterating the basic fact that high earners pay most of the tax take, in spite of your transparent bullshit in trying to prove otherwise by making shit up.

And yet again: they didn't lose the election, they lost the subsequent circus act. Which is why I can criticise the current outfit with complete impunity, not only are they the lesser option but they're not my monkeys, and it's not my circus.

But national, eh?

No you CLEARLY won the internet congratulations
by a combination of lack of rational thinking backed solely by your own opinion in the face of data that proves you wrong you still managed to pull off a win via sheer lack of your own ability to comprehend simple data that disproves your theory.
Congratulations if only you started off with a small loan of a million dollars you could be US president by now.
I look forward to the Next 5 years of your continued winning.

[Ocean1]

No you CLEARLY won the internet congratulations
by a combination of lack of rational thinking backed solely by your own opinion in the face of data that proves you wrong you still managed to pull off a win via sheer lack of your own ability to comprehend simple data that disproves your theory.
Congratulations if only you started off with a small loan of a million dollars you could be US president by now.
I look forward to the Next 5 years of your continued winning.

And you sure showed everyone who's right.

Tell us again about the myth of high income earners paying more tax, I'm sure some of them didn't quite get that bit.

[husaberg]

And you sure showed everyone who's right.

Tell us again about the myth of high income earners paying more tax, I'm sure some of them didn't quite get that bit.

Look dude you clearly won the internet

National won the last election John Key is still Prime Miinister of NZ
Reagan is in the white house
Howard rules Camberra
Maggie Thatchers handbag is still at Dowling street
Everything is right in your world

[Swoop]

No you posted some crap headline but never read the article

At least a few people are able to see through the utter lies put forward by liarbour, to bribe an election win.
Have they solved homelessness yet, as promised? Luckily there is the sheer incompetence by the immigration minister to take the focus off of their other failings.

National won the last election John Key is still Prime Miinister of NZ

Isn't it strange how all the leftist comments referred to Key's "false smile", but now the even larger false smile is PM any comments are seen as "inappropriate".

[husaberg]

At least a few people are able to see through the utter lies put forward by liarbour, to bribe an election win.
Have they solved homelessness yet, as promised? Luckily there is the sheer incompetence by the immigration minister to take the focus off of their other failings.

Dude everyones still far too busy giggling over the trainwreck that is Nationals leader and former chief whip

Isn't it strange how all the leftist comments referred to Key's "false smile", but now the even larger false smile is PM any comments are seen as "inappropriate".

Yeah John Key was the epitome of masculinity

[jasonu]

Dude everyones still far too busy giggling over the trainwreck that is Nationals leader and former chief whip]

Bullshit. The immigration fiasco is the hot shit right now.

[sidecar bob]

Jesus Husa, that's some lefty losing you're doing right there, keep a grip mate
Ocean is correct about the tax thing, that's old news & how it's always been.
Some crappy graph made by a loser with too much time on their hands in an effort to prove they are somehow contributing doesn't change the fact.
Can we concentrate on the big tooth creature that has broken a pile of election promises & has for the first time in the history of NZ, made a law that a legitimate industry can no longer charge for services it provides?
We should be very alarmed by that.
I certainly am.

[husaberg]

Jesus Husa, that's some lefty losing you're doing right there, keep a grip mate
Ocean is correct about the tax thing, that's old news & how it's always been.
Some crappy graph made by a loser with too much time on their hands in an effort to prove they are somehow contributing doesn't change the fact.
Can we concentrate on the big tooth creature that has broken a pile of election promises & has for the first time in the history of NZ, made a law that a legitimate industry can no longer charge for services it provides?
We should be very alarmed by that.
I certainly am.

Nah its an old right wing beat up that only works if you dont include all the tax or add up everything or include the fact it s based on self assesed tax without including tricks that we both have used that our accountants justify their fees on.
It doesnt include the gains from not having an effective Capital gains tax either nor does it include all the revenue tied under corporate tax or living and other expenses claimed under business expenses.
Nor does it take into account NZ wants a progressive tax system
Ocean just attempted to twist what i said to distract from the fact you now need an income over 150K to buy a starter house in the place where most kiwis live.
Plus home ownership rates slipped by 10% under national

Bullshit. The immigration fiasco is the hot shit right now.

It a non event ,He came in under National, he committed his crimes under National. he was processed using the same legal act of Nationals immigration policy used.
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/p...est/whole.html
The only difference was he wasnt a rich chinese or a rich american.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-sell-13m-farm
Next week will be filled with Bridges resignation and more National party infighting, not necessarily in that order

Chrusher has the inside running according to this
https://www.reddit.com/r/newzealand/...having/e81ni81

BUT WAIT
more Jamie Lee Ross tapes reveil National intended to cover up the whole saga.
Also that Bridges lied about knowledge of allegations about alleged harassment of women.
Not only that he could be promoted

Secret recordings of a conversation involving Jami-Lee Ross, Simon Bridges and Paula Bennett have been leaked to The AM Show.
The clip features Mr Ross talking to the National Party leadership ahead of his decision to take personal leave at the start of October.
The comments on the tape suggest the National leadership team was trying to cover up the wrongdoing by Mr Ross. They discuss what reasons they will give for his leave – medical or family. Ms Bennett says medical leave would be better, as it would reduce media interest.
“So it would be for medical reasons?” asks Mr Ross.

“Is that what you want?” asks Ms Bennett. “I think either medical or family.”

“Medical is true,” says Mr Ross.

“That’s right,” says Mr Bridges. “There’s no shame in that.”

“And it means everyone will back off you too – the media and all that sort of stuff,” says Ms Bennett.

The tape then records how the parties discussed disloyalty and harassment of staff.

Ross’s request for clarification of the allegations made against him was declined. It was recorded in this part of the discussion:

“Simon told you all about the disloyalty stuff Jami-Lee, and quite frankly if that was put to caucus, that would be enough,” replies Ms Bennett.

“The stuff around harassing staff which I reject, that is the worst. I don’t even know what that is,” says Mr Ross.

“Well you do know what the disloyalty stuff is, and that’s been put to you really clearly. If that was put to caucus, that would be enough,” says Ms Bennett. “We are trying to give you the lightest possible way out of this.”

The tape would have been recorded in early October and before the results of the inquiry into the leak was announced. Bridges will need to explain what he said a couple of weeks later on October 18 about the Newsroom article which detailed allegations of inappropriate behaviour that Ross was accused of. As set out in this Radio New Zealand article:

“I’m gutted about the story and everything that it’s about. I am in admiration of the courage of these women for what has happened here.”

Mr Bridges said he first heard claims of inappropriate behaviour towards women in recent weeks. He didn’t know whether they were the same women as those quoted in the Newsroom report.

“I knew nothing before the leak investigation of any of these sort of things. It’s only in very recent weeks,” he said.

“Within a day of learning about these things, I confronted Jami-Lee Ross about them and have made sure… he is no longer part of our caucus.”

Mr Bridges refused to go into any detail about the claims or who made them, saying he respected privacy.

“I have absolutely no doubt in my mind, I dealt with things in the right way.”

Mr Bridges said he was “completely unaware” that Mr Ross was capable of the alleged behaviour.

“In totality, what we’ve got here are lies, deception, inappropriate conduct, leaks… I am really glad we’ve seen the back of this man.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12154546

[Swoop]

... the trainwreck that is Nationals leader ...

Certainly not disagreeing on that point...