You posted made up crap, you got caught it was shown to be made up crap
Originally Posted by Ocean1
Anorak
You posted made up crap, you got caught it was shown to be made up crap
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
Bogeyman
And you reckon I'm full of crap.
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
The Majestic Metal Wizard
Without re-reading the first article to be sure - wasn't the reason for the dismissal due to the Statute of Limitations time limit lapsing? In which case, the Leniency was a byproduct of sticking to the letter of the law.
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
Anorak
You 100% are full of it
You posted made up crap, you got caught it was shown to be made up crap.
Then in an mediocre effort to save face you start demanding i answer question about stuff i never said or posted.
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
The Majestic Metal Wizard
Nobody on the right will disagree that right wing dictatorships are bad. The Key difference is - can you find me an example of a major right wing Politician, from a major party publicly extolling the virtues of Mussilini, Giovanni Gentile or citing Mein Kampf?
Contrast with:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...xperiment.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ing-communist/
Or closer to home - Comrade Jacinda's quote (which got her Labelled as a Marxist):
When you allow markets to decide the fate of your people … that does not serve a country or people well.
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
Anorak
I think you will find that few extoll the virtues of Hilter and Mussolini for very good reasons.
All dictatorships are bad. as far as i can think only Franco's ended peacefully but it was only the end it certainly wasn't peaceful for a start.
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
The Majestic Metal Wizard
That's the point....
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
Anorak
Not really, your point is not really a point. Your point relies on him being a demon
While i have never really read much of his stuff what i remember was he thought workers should get paid fairly for their efforts.
See when he was about workers toiled away under dirty dangerous conditions with no labour laws these views are hardly surprising really.
maybe you might rather go back to the 19th Century workplace conditions but i would rather not.
What about the 80 hour working week no holidays.
Hes quoting Karl Marx not giving glowing reports of Joe Stalin or Chairman Mao
Marx never did to much other than philosophize he also was an economist of note. otherwise he would be getting talked about now.
He never invaded other countries killed millions or enslaved a country or participated in a dictatorship. like the others you mentioned.
When people are being oppressed i doubt they have a political preference to which either left or right they are oppressed by.
Do you feel the current government is oppressing you? you get to vote if most agree with you the government will change.
I noticed you never responded about Russia. Id be interested to see what your take on what their Government actually is.
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
Bogeyman
Oh I'm sure you believe market fluctuations in the US prove whatever it is you never seem quite capable of articulating. Presumably socialism good / capitalism bad.
In fact the US govt doesn't control the market. The most you could say is the federal reserve indirectly controls interest rates. And in fact far from a free market failure, your great depression was caused by the federal reserve fucking with interest rates to try to cool the market. The effect was what govt interference in any market usually is: a fucking disaster.
But yeah, but national.
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Anorak
"You put socialists in power long enough they'll cause capitalism to fail every time, followed immediately by economic collapse" your wordsOh I'm sure you believe market fluctuations in the US prove whatever it is you never seem quite capable of articulating. Presumably socialism good / capitalism bad.
In fact the US govt doesn't control the market. The most you could say is the federal reserve indirectly controls interest rates. And in fact far from a free market failure, your great depression was caused by the federal reserve fucking with interest rates to try to cool the market. The effect was what govt interference in any market usually is: a fucking disaster.
But yeah, but national.
You can attempt to weasle out of it any way you wish.
Panic of 1907 New York Stock exchange fell 43%
Date plus 3 terms prior
President Rep, Rep, Rep, Rep
Senate Rep, Rep, Rep, Rep
Congress Rep, Rep, Rep, Rep
The Great Depression 1929
Date plus 3 terms prior
President Rep, Rep, Rep, Rep, Rep
Senate Rep, Rep, Rep, Rep, Rep
Congress Dem, Rep, Rep, Rep,
Black Monday (1987) Wall Street Crash
Date plus 3 terms prior
President during Rep, Rep, Rep, Rep
Senate Dem, Rep, Rep, Rep, Rep
Congress Dem, Dem, Dem, Dem
Financial crisis of 2007–2008
date plus 3 terms prior
President during Rep Rep, Rep, Rep
Senate Dem, Rep Rep Rep Dem,
Congress Dem, Rep Rep Rep Rep
But calling all these mere market fluctuation makes you look exceedingly foolish
As does using the US as an example of how the government cant interfere
then using an example of the Right wing interference that lead to a world wide economic collapse is just the icing on the cake.
For the record the Wall street crash which lead to the great depression
Was due to multiple factors just as the great depression was.
We have The fundamental structural weaknesses in the American economic system. Banks operated without guarantees to their customers, creating a climate of panic when times got tough. Few regulations were placed on banks and they lent money to those who speculated recklessly in stocks. sound familar.
It is far too simplistic to view the stock market crash as the single cause of the Great Depression. Long-term underlying causes sent the nation into a downward spiral of despair. First, American firms earned record profits during the 1920s and reinvested much of these funds into expansion. By 1929, companies had expanded to the bubble point. Workers could no longer continue to fuel further expansion, so a slowdown was inevitable. While corporate profits, skyrocketed, wages increased incrementally, which widened the distribution of wealth.
The richest one percent of Americans owned over a third of all American assets. Such wealth concentrated in the hands of a few limits economic growth. The wealthy tended to save money that might have been put back into the economy if it were spread among the middle and lower classes. Middle class Americans had already stretched their debt capacities by purchasing automobiles and household appliances on installment plans.
Agricultural prices had already been low during the 1920s, leaving farmers unable to spark any sort of recovery. When the Depression spread across the Atlantic, Europeans bought fewer American products, worsening the slide.
When Republican President Hoover was inaugurated, the American economy was a house of cards. Unable to provide the proper relief from hard times, his popularity decreased as more and more Americans lost their jobs. His minimalist approach to government intervention made little impact . The economy shrank with each successive year of his Presidency. As middle class Americans stood in the same soup lines previously graced only by the nation's poorest, the entire social fabric of America was forever altered.
http://www.ushistory.org/us/48.asp
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
Bogeyman
And yet that's what they are. Markets. Fluctuating. The fact that you find that description foolish is more a reflection of your blinkered world view than anything else.
And you were the one presenting American market history to prove capitalism causes economic failure. I simply pointed out that the primary cause of that "failure" was govt interference, which, by definition is a socialist ideal. This really shouldn't come as much of a shock given the history of the economic failure of socialism worldwide. Yet you continue to argue from a typically socialist perspective, you want your cake and you also want to eat it.
I also asked if what you call capitalism were responsible for those "failures" whether you think it's responsible for the successes. But your answer is to google "capitalism bad, socialism good" and c/p the results.
Still, I don't think there's any danger of anyone taking your endless pro-socialist broadsheet shit seriously, so I'll leave you to wallow in it by yourself, comrade.
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Anorak
Keep posting another 40 attempts to weasle around or so you might even convince yourself.
unless of course you try and blame socialists for Right wings actions again like you just did. Even you must see thats just more pathetic ramblings.
Saying i post Endless socialist shit is interesting as i clearly only post in return to your easily disproved crap..
Global financial crisis
The great depression
These were not just a simple stock market fluctuations they were world wide recessions that resulted in millions of people losing there life savings (great Deression) that lasted for years. that required massive tax payers to make massive payouts to prop up private companies.
87 stock market crash
"In the US it is known as Black Monday — October 19, 1987, the biggest one-day fall in the history of the stock exchange. Thirty years ago this month, in the era of Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher, yuppies and banker chic, the financial world collapsed."Rob Carmeron Investment banker. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...ectid=12000499
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
Forum whore
He's a fucking champ of copy and paste is he not? If only there was a career that needed that particular talent!
I also asked if what you call capitalism were responsible for those "failures" whether you think it's responsible for the successes. But your answer is to google "capitalism bad, socialism good" and c/p the results.
Never seems to grasp that if he asked the opposite question there would be pages supporting the opposite conclusion too.
Drooling ideologue.
Aio ki te Aorangi
Gettin' a grillin' over the GFC. Capitalism and its finest. Not a whiff of socialism in the air... other than the corporate bailout that followed and then ensuing loss of jobs and general economic turmoil. It wasn't the capitalists you say. It was all the fault of socialism you say. Pulease...........
Congressman Henry Waxman "My question is simple. Were you wrong?"
Greenspan "Partially ... I made a mistake in presuming that the self-interest of organisations, specifically banks, is such that they were best capable of protecting shareholders and equity in the firms ... I discovered a flaw in the model that I perceived is the critical functioning structure that defines how the world works. I had been going for 40 years with considerable evidence that it was working exceptionally well. The overall view I take of regulation is, I took an oath of office when I became Federal Reserve chairman. I'm here to uphold the laws of the land passed by Congress, not my own predilections."
I didn't think!!! I experimented!!!
Anorak
Really how many other what Oceans is trying to palm off as simple market fluctuations have there been in america where the republicans were not in charge.
Esp Considering ocean posted all economic collapses all occurred under socialists which is clearly untrue.
Maybe if there is screeds of data that shows it happened under the Democrats in the US you should go post it.
I will start you off
Dot Com Bubble
March 2000
President Rep Dem Dem Rep
Senate Rep, Rep, Rep, Dem
Congress Rep, Rep, Rep, Dem
Buggar the was the republicans as well
Rob Cameron whose was a pretty famous NZ investment banker ex Fay Richwite ex Co founder Cameron Partners the guy John Key called in to chair the group to reform the NZ lending rules after the GFC.
He said of the 87 Crash i quote.
the biggest one-day fall in the history of the stock exchange. Thirty years ago this month, in the era of Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher, yuppies and banker chic, the financial world collapsed."Rob Carmeron Investment banker.
But yeah Ocean says it was otherwise and who is Rob Cameron to disagree with Ocean
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