The 2017 Election Thread

**sidecar bob** · 8th September 2017, 22:01

Originally Posted by mashman

Nope. I'm sure life is such a complete nightmare for those good folks who invest in houses so that people can rent them from them that they really could do with a break from putting in all that backbreaking effort.

Yeah, I'm over it. I've been a noble (over) taxpayer & landlord for years. I've recently decided, fuck that shit, I'm leaving everyone to their own devices, including the race team I've been funding.
The tenants can blow me, the race team can blow me & im going to fuck off to the south of France & waste most of it so I can retire on the taxes of others. The government can fund my retirement & the housing of others like they do for every other loser.
I am now officially a liability to the govt, not an asset. It's what they want.

**TheDemonLord** · 8th September 2017, 22:11

Originally Posted by Grumph

Shit there's some whining going on here. The sky is not falling.....There's enough system inertia to stop 99% of the doom from happening.
Get over it children. I'm old enough to remember the moaning every time there's a change of govt - and well, bugger me, about 2 years after that, the admission that yes, it isn't so bad at all. Maybe even, shock horror, better.....

Personally, not being overinvested in real estate, I'm believing the statement that they won't tax the family home if it's sold.

I've had enough of the arrogant tories for a lifetime having grown up under the bastards - and met too many of them too.

Whatever you say on here, remember, is not going to change anyone's mind as to how they vote - it's just like this - a personal vent.

I got no problem with a Left wing Government - it just seems that all the Left wing parties are closet raging Communists at the moment who hate the rich, want to tax them into oblivion and make everyone poor.

Where is the Central Left that understands Economics?

**oldrider** · 8th September 2017, 22:37

The German War Against "Globalism" - Was Hitler Right About Everything? (or anything?) - is there anything our politicians can learn from here?

**mashman** · 8th September 2017, 22:45

Originally Posted by sidecar bob

Yeah, I'm over it. I've been a noble (over) taxpayer & landlord for years. I've recently decided, fuck that shit, I'm leaving everyone to their own devices, including the race team I've been funding.
The tenants can blow me, the race team can blow me & im going to fuck off to the south of France & waste most of it so I can retire on the taxes of others. The government can fund my retirement & the housing of others like they do for every other loser.
I am now officially a liability to the govt, not an asset. It's what they want.

France is nice.

**Grumph** · 9th September 2017, 06:16

Originally Posted by sidecar bob

Yeah, I'm over it. I've been a noble (over) taxpayer & landlord for years. I've recently decided, fuck that shit, I'm leaving everyone to their own devices, including the race team I've been funding.
The tenants can blow me, the race team can blow me & im going to fuck off to the south of France & waste most of it so I can retire on the taxes of others. The government can fund my retirement & the housing of others like they do for every other loser.
I am now officially a liability to the govt, not an asset. It's what they want.

You won't like it - France is full of Algerians and Libyans - and the bloody French.....

**scott411** · 9th September 2017, 07:04

Originally Posted by sidecar bob

Yeah, I'm over it. I've been a noble (over) taxpayer & landlord for years. I've recently decided, fuck that shit, I'm leaving everyone to their own devices, including the race team I've been funding.
The tenants can blow me, the race team can blow me & im going to fuck off to the south of France & waste most of it so I can retire on the taxes of others. The government can fund my retirement & the housing of others like they do for every other loser.
I am now officially a liability to the govt, not an asset. It's what they want.

lucky bastard

**Voltaire** · 9th September 2017, 07:16

Originally Posted by sidecar bob

Yeah, I'm over it. I've been a noble (over) taxpayer & landlord for years. I've recently decided, fuck that shit, I'm leaving everyone to their own devices, including the race team I've been funding.
The tenants can blow me, the race team can blow me & im going to fuck off to the south of France & waste most of it so I can retire on the taxes of others. The government can fund my retirement & the housing of others like they do for every other loser.
I am now officially a liability to the govt, not an asset. It's what they want.

My Sil lives on a canal boat 6 month of year in France. See says pension goes much further there.
I like Italy and Greece over south of france

**Ocean1** · 9th September 2017, 08:11

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

I got no problem with a Left wing Government - it just seems that all the Left wing parties are closet raging Communists at the moment who hate the rich, want to tax them into oblivion and make everyone poor.

Where is the Central Left that understands Economics?

It's called the National Party.

Labour is further left than ever, and the greens are simply rabidly incoherent. There hasn't been a financially conservative government here for over a generation, and with the local press in full Marxist song it looks likely we won't see another one any time soon.

**Ocean1** · 9th September 2017, 08:29

Originally Posted by Grumph

You won't like it - France is full of Algerians and Libyans - and the bloody French.....

And my bro. And hoards of retired Aussies escaping the consequences of their tax and spend, asset testing government. As is Spain, Mexico etc etc.

Everyone looks at the cost of those pensions and sucks their teeth and shakes their head and mutters about where that's going to come from. I promise, that won't hurt anywhere near as much as the tax those boomers are about to stop paying. It's fucking huge, boomers pay fucking near half of all income tax, that loss is going to reduce govt spending dramatically, in every direction. Where are the plans for managing that loss, outside of simply doubling income tax?

There's also a bunch of talk about whether we should change the rules and delay paying them until 67, eventually. Won't affect me but even if it did I'd be OK with it, we're living far longer and better. I hear Juicinda getting a bit shrill about shafting "her generation" and talk in the press about how super is funded, whether it's pay as you go or pre-funded sort of defines who's going to cop the bill. Seems politicians from both sides think it's pay as you go, so each generation pays for it's parents super. But every taxpayer I've ever talked to about it considers that a part of their tax was always paying for their own pension. So just another classic example of vote buying taking precedence over what those who actually pay for shit want.

**Woodman** · 9th September 2017, 09:16

Originally Posted by Ocean1

And my bro. And hoards of retired Aussies escaping the consequences of their tax and spend government. As is Spain, Mexico etc etc.

Everyone looks at the cost of those pensions and sucks their teeth and shakes their head and mutters about where that's going to come from. I promise, that won't hurt anywhere near as much as the tax those boomers are about to stop paying.

There's also a bunch of talk about whether we should change the rules and delay paying them until 67, eventually. Won't affect me but I'd be OK with it, we're living far longer and better. I hear Juicinda getting a bit shrill about shafting "her generation" and talk in the press about how super is funded, whether it's pay as you go or pre-funded sort of defines who's going to cop the bill. Seems politicians from both sides think it's pay as you go, so each generation pays for it's parents super. But every taxpayer I've ever talked to about it considers that a part of their tax was always paying for their own pension. So just another classic example of vote buying taking precedence over what those who actually pay for shit want.

Why not just sign the rights of our water over to the superfund and sell it for foreign money? Cha-chiiiing.

**Swoop** · 9th September 2017, 09:24

Originally Posted by Ocean1

There's also a bunch of talk about whether we should change the rules and delay paying them until 67...

The one specific reason that I refused to be sucked into kiwislaver.
They take your money and then keep moving the goalposts as to when you might see some of it again. My private scheme has payout beginning when I turn 60.

All of the investment people I have been approached by and had them ask "why don't you start Kiwislaver", have absolutely no reply when I ask about the moving goalposts. Complete silence. Only one has said "oh, yeah..." and not progressed further with the discussion.

I have been offered a narrow boat in England to cruise about on. If liarbour get in, this will be seriously considered as an option.

**Ocean1** · 9th September 2017, 09:27

Originally Posted by Woodman

Why not just sign the rights of our water over to the superfund and sell it for foreign money? Cha-chiiiing.

For the same reason we shouldn't just sign the rights of someone else's earnings over to ourselves: we don't own them.

It's this inherent failure to recognise that the person who owns shit is the person that earned it that defines socialism. And it's this exact failure that explains why socialism is, at best a short term, if somewhat painful experiment.

And actually, the super fund has done spectacularly well over the years, and it's a shame contributions weren't maintained. I sort of get the fact that borrowing more than we did to maintain it made more economic sense, but I'd quite like to have resumed payments when we could afford it. Unfortunately there's too many needy Kiwis right now for us to be able to afford saving for any mere retiring taxpayers.

**Woodman** · 9th September 2017, 10:04

Originally Posted by Ocean1

For the same reason we shouldn't just sign the rights of someone else's earnings over to ourselves: we don't own them.

It's this inherent failure to recognise that the person who owns shit is the person that earned it that defines socialism. And it's this exact failure that explains why socialism is, at best a short term, if somewhat painful experiment.

And actually, the super fund has done spectacularly well over the years, and it's a shame contributions weren't maintained. I sort of get the fact that borrowing more than we did to maintain it made more economic sense, but I'd quite like to have resumed payments when we could afford it. Unfortunately there's too many needy Kiwis right now for us to be able to afford saving for any mere retiring taxpayers.

I just see it as a resource and an increasingly scarce resource that NZ can make a lot of money from. I see it more of a capitalist venture than a form of socialism. It could be used to pay off our debt for example. The stuff is just sitting there waiting to be exploited.