The 2017 Election Thread

[pritch]

The best option was to hand over all responsibility to the mines rescue people immediately after the explosion, and let them make all of the decisions.

I was of the understanding that the people administering mines had been absorbed into the Labour Dept or whatever that's called now. In the early days after the explosion, while the miners were still listed as "missing", emails from Greymouth were reportedly returned to be rewritten because they contained spelling mistakes. Phone calls were met with a recorded message advising that business hours were between 8.00AM and 5.00PM.

And the arseholes in Wellington who presided over this catastrophe all kept their jobs.

[eldog]

I have just wondered who these people we borrow money from are.
Do they really expect/want us to pay it off or just get deeper in debt.

Wasn't the USA in strife a while back, they managed to get by.

It's obviously not that important or they would be foreclosing on NZ.

Might as well buy a new bike and enjoy it

[Woodman]

We could always look at addressing Earth Overshoot... it is kind of important like.

No,rescuing 29 dead people ironically from a coal mine is much more important than the fact that we are/have destroyed the environment that supports us.

[mashman]

No,rescuing 29 dead people ironically from a coal mine is much more important than the fact that we are/have destroyed the environment that supports us.

bugga... maybe next year.

[Ocean1]

but but but Labour...........

Maybe if you were successful at business you wouldn't need to moan all the time about tax.
Lets do something else ............. they clearly are.
Maybe responsible governments need to balance their book and run surpluses to pay off overseas debt.
Odd that you cant understand that seeing you claim to be in business.

Maybe in your mind rather than balancing the books to pay for the massive amount of people that are going to be getting the pension and living longer and needing more health care.
They should instead give tax cuts to everyone and then borrow all the money needed to pay for it.
Rather than paying the international debt ,t instead racked up huge debt by borrowing more and more money every year.
Oh shit i know what they cant do that ,because its someones else's plan already.
I guess in your business you just keep on endlessly borrowing money rather than trying to pay off debt.
Maybe that why you moan all the time about tax, you just don't have the capacity to understand basic business principals.

If I wasn't successful I wouldn't be paying tax, idiot.

The only person for whom it's clear that this govt is doing anything financially worthwhile is you.

If you were at all honest in discussing govt debt you wouldn't be using raw dollars, the universal metric for debt is /gdp, like so: https://www.gfmag.com/global-data/ec...percentage-gdp

That, of course doesn't carefully ignore the GFC, NZ's oecd leading performance in minimising debt in response, or the fact that labour, having taxed the highest income decade in NZ history immediately prior to the GFC left the piggy bank empty as. None of which you want to handle at all.

Nobody's interested in your bullshit, dude, honestly, it's so obviously the product of an extreme, rabid labour fanboi it's laughable. When you want an honest discussion about politics there's no shortage of people to help you out, there. In the meantime you can just fester alone in your tiny twisted world.

[jasonu]

If I wasn't successful I wouldn't be paying tax, idiot.

The only person for whom it's clear that this govt is doing anything financially worthwhile is you.

If you were at all honest in discussing govt debt you wouldn't be using raw dollars, the universal metric for debt is /gdp, like so: https://www.gfmag.com/global-data/ec...percentage-gdp

That, of course doesn't carefully ignore the GFC, NZ's oecd leading performance in minimising debt in response, or the fact that labour, having taxed the highest income decade in NZ history immediately prior to the GFC left the piggy bank empty as. None of which you want to handle at all.

Nobody's interested in your bullshit, dude, honestly, it's so obviously the product of an extreme, rabid labour fanboi it's laughable. When you want an honest discussion about politics there's no shortage of people to help you out, there. In the meantime you can just fester alone in your tiny twisted world.

I've never heard of someone so eager and willing to pay more tax.

[TheDemonLord]

I've never heard of someone so eager and willing to pay more tax.

The funniest thing is, I don't mind paying Tax, I don't mind the amount of Tax I pay, potentially I wouldn't mind paying a little bit more.

However, there is a Caveat there - what I DO mind is how badly it's being spent:

Politician Pet Projects
Ideological ventures with no factual basis
Feel-Good spending that perpetuates rather than fix the problem
Poor Controls to Vet those in need vs those taking the piss
Programs that give the appearance of being effective, but are white elephants.
Spending that infantilizes a group making then dependent rather than independent
Things that make the Middle Class Socialists feel good about themselves.

etc. etc.

[husaberg]

If I wasn't successful I wouldn't be paying tax, idiot.

The only person for whom it's clear that this govt is doing anything financially worthwhile is you.

If you were at all honest in discussing govt debt you wouldn't be using raw dollars, the universal metric for debt is /gdp, like so: https://www.gfmag.com/global-data/ec...percentage-gdp

That, of course doesn't carefully ignore the GFC, NZ's oecd leading performance in minimising debt in response, or the fact that labour, having taxed the highest income decade in NZ history immediately prior to the GFC left the piggy bank empty as. None of which you want to handle at all.

Nobody's interested in your bullshit, dude, honestly, it's so obviously the product of an extreme, rabid labour fanboi it's laughable. When you want an honest discussion about politics there's no shortage of people to help you out, there. In the meantime you can just fester alone in your tiny twisted world.

My word you make up crap.
I very much doubt you are even moderately successful as you spend hours moaning about having to pay tax. you would have enough money not to have to moan about paying tax every five minutes.
If you were that successful you would also have a more clever accountant. to minimise the tax you pay
the metric you are trying to describe is not GDP its Debt as a % of GDP and the national party Oceaned that all up as well.



National never repaid the debt they incurred they left it for others to clean up. Same as usual ,same with healthcare. Same as usual.
Labour left a huge amount of money National just couldn't touch it. As it was locked in a pension fund.
The reason National was able to borrow money was Labour had the debt levels so low.
You suggesting that Labour left the piggy bank empty by taxing people is absurd even for you. You should produce some data to back it up.
if its true it should be no issue for you to do so will it.........

Victoria University School of Government research fellow Toby Moore said

"But even on a simplistic measure of fiscal responsibility, the accusation that Labour is less fiscally responsible does not match the recent historical record,"
"The Clark-led Government was very cautious when it came to finances, and put New Zealand in a much stronger position in terms of public debt than most other advanced countries when the GFC occurred"

Labour left the economy in a bloody good condition National lowered tax rates and then borrowed heavily to pay for it. This is a fact. No amount of your posturing will change it

Economist Brian Easton said Looking at recent governments, Clark's finance minister Sir Michael Cullen squirreled away savings, paying off debt and using the surplus for investment.
...... under the Key-English Government....National "cannibalised" a lot of the Cullen reserves to ease us though the GFC,

National never contributed properly to National Super. This is a fact.
Government contributions to the Super Fund were suspended between 2009 and 2017.
https://www.nzsuperfund.co.nz/nz-sup...ons-suspension
https://www.ceicdata.com/datapage/ch...-12-01&lang=en

n 2009 super accounted for 12% of the budget; in the coming year it will be 17% in 2018. In real per capita terms super will cost the taxpayer 35.5% more in fiscal 2018 than it did when National took office,

yet for 9 years National never contributed anything to the national superfund

Not only that

You are the one festering you have been like this since national got booted out of power. i look forward to another few years of it as well.

[oldrider]

Saw this on the nett I was attracted by the (NZ) reference:- https://www.infowars.com/new-zealand...itical-police/ - WTF?

Thought I'd ask - What do other KBer's think?

[pritch]

Saw this on the nett I was attracted by the (NZ) reference:- https://www.infowars.com/new-zealand...itical-police/ - WTF?

Thought I'd ask - What do other KBer's think?

Shit oh dear John! That's Infowars, possibly the very definition of a fake news site. It was Infowars who said that the Sandy Hook School child killings were a scam and that the grieving parents shown on TV were "crisis actors". All of which lead to the parents receiving death threats to the extent some had to move house. The parents are now suing Jones and hopefully he will soon be bankrupted into silence.

Jones ranted and raved at the mic with flying spittle and "news" such as that Obama and Clinton came to earth from Hell and if you were in their presence you could actually smell the sulphur.

The site sells a variety of shonky shit including "Brain Power" pills. The people who follow Watson, Jones, and all, sure as shit need those pills.

We are seeing less of their drivel of late, most of the social media companies have cut their access.

None of which is to say that events similar to those reported in this particular story didn't take place. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Well you asked...

[TheDemonLord]

So I read this morning that Commissar Cindy doesn't understand why the US can't change their laws.


Considering she is in Politics, one would hope she has a basic understanding as to what a Constitution is and why laws can't be passed that are in breach of the Constitution. It's not like the 2nd Amendment is hard to understand.

[oldrider]

Shit oh dear John! That's Infowars, possibly the very definition of a fake news site. It was Infowars who said that the Sandy Hook School child killings were a scam and that the grieving parents shown on TV were "crisis actors". All of which lead to the parents receiving death threats to the extent some had to move house. The parents are now suing Jones and hopefully he will soon be bankrupted into silence.

Jones ranted and raved at the mic with flying spittle and "news" such as that Obama and Clinton came to earth from Hell and if you were in their presence you could actually smell the sulphur.

The site sells a variety of shonky shit including "Brain Power" pills. The people who follow Watson, Jones, and all, sure as shit need those pills.

We are seeing less of their drivel of late, most of the social media companies have cut their access.

None of which is to say that events similar to those reported in this particular story didn't take place. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Well you asked...

Thanks for the response pritch - I wasn't really concerned about Jones and his program (that is a given) I was concerned about the NZ police inference.

Plain clothes police wearing (mixed) police uniform apparel? - asking random political affiliation questions of private citizens on a Sunday?

WTF is that bit all about? - true or false? - either way it is more than a bit concerning IMO.

[pritch]

So I read this morning that Commissar Cindy doesn't understand why the US can't change their laws.

Considering she is in Politics, one would hope she has a basic understanding as to what a Constitution is and why laws can't be passed that are in breach of the Constitution. It's not like the 2nd Amendment is hard to understand.

That's one reason, although the second amendment refers to "a well regulated militia" which hardly describes the rabble that likes to display their right to open carry in public. If you were in a cafe with them you'd be betting your life on their ability to know that their rifle was safe. Good luck.

The other reason the law won't change is the millions of dollars the NRA have used to buy politicians.

Having said though, that it's entirely possible that the 2A would be news to our leader.

[TheDemonLord]

That's one reason, although the second amendment refers to "a well regulated militia" which hardly describes the rabble that likes to display their right to open carry in public. If you were in a cafe with them you'd be betting your life on their ability to know that their rifle was safe. Good luck.

The other reason the law won't change is the millions of dollars the NRA have used to buy politicians.

Having said though, that it's entirely possible that the 2A would be news to our leader.

There's much I don't agree with in regards to the 2A or the American system - Open Carry is amongst them.

The Well regulated Militia part is also interesting - apparently there's a number of supreme court judgements as to what that means, and regular citizenry is included, which to me doesn't seem correct - well regulated would imply some form of organizational structure or a club affiliation or something.

If the American Constitution is news to our 'Global Leader' - then it perhaps casts doubt onto her credentials to talk on Global issues, it definitely shows she's talking about something for which she has not the slightest Clue.

[husaberg]

Thanks for the response pritch - I wasn't really concerned about Jones and his program (that is a given) I was concerned about the NZ police inference.

Plain clothes police wearing (mixed) police uniform apparel? - asking random political affiliation questions of private citizens on a Sunday?

WTF is that bit all about? - true or false? - either way it is more than a bit concerning IMO.

Did for even a split second consider that the person who is claiming crap, posts a lot of stuff regarding Tommy Robinson and anti islam crap in general on a Youtube channel.....
I would be concerned, if the police and others dont take an interest in him.
If i was posting that sort of crap on the net plus was know to have firearms i would expect a dawn raid sometime soon.

But seriously posting info-wars

Seeing as you have far too much free time have a watch of this Because "MERICA"