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    I have to wonder about what the crap is regarding drugged drivers, 71 drugged drivers against 109 drunk driver deaths in fatal accidents makes it a no-brainer. Why the PUBLIC CONSULTATION. Get the bastards and bastardesses off the road NOW!!

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...driver-testing


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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    Having said though, that it's entirely possible that the 2A would be news to our leader.
    What gets overlooked is the simple, ingrained, culture of the US. Firearms were part of its foundation from the "wild west" to frontier wars, to Mexican border battles.
    Making "change" happen in the US would take an entire generation to achieve.


    Quote Originally Posted by Murray View Post
    I have to wonder on what the crap going on regarding drugged drivers is, 71 drugged drivers against 109 drunk driver deaths in fatal accidents makes it a no-brainer. Why the PUBLIC CONSULTATION. Get the bastards and bastardesses off the road NOW!!
    An interesting discussion happened at work, regarding the proposed weed referendum. Good points discussed.
    "If weed becomes legal, we become a tourist destination for stoners".
    "Tourists visiting NZ driving stoned" on top of their normal standards of driving...
    The consenus was that the great stampede to free-up weed, has now passed and far bigger discussions need to happen. NZ's approach to alcohol is bad enough, so what can be done better for future legislation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    What gets overlooked is the simple, ingrained, culture of the US. Firearms were part of its foundation from the "wild west" to frontier wars, to Mexican border battles.
    Making "change" happen in the US would take an entire generation to achieve.




    An interesting discussion happened at work, regarding the proposed weed referendum. Good points discussed.
    "If weed becomes legal, we become a tourist destination for stoners".
    "Tourists visiting NZ driving stoned" on top of their normal standards of driving...
    The consenus was that the great stampede to free-up weed, has now passed and far bigger discussions need to happen. NZ's approach to alcohol is bad enough, so what can be done better for future legislation?
    The problem i see is the weed drug levels dont really indicate the impairment (or so the story goes) but the fact its in the system of so many is a bit of a hint it clearly does.
    if you cant do a test by an easy means of a roadside test wtf would me think of letting it become legal
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldrider View Post
    Plain clothes police wearing (mixed) police uniform apparel? - asking random political affiliation questions of private citizens on a Sunday?

    WTF is that bit all about? - true or false? - either way it is more than a bit concerning IMO.
    Looking for extreme answers most likely. I reckon that's perfectly fine. Tis what is classed as extreme that should be of concern in light of perpetual legislation change in the air.

    In the context of todays world, the extremists are the ones who excuse and promote the status quo of stupidity and refer to it as civilised society. Unfortunately that's not the definition of extremist that will likely be used ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaa <3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    So I read this morning that Commissar Cindy doesn't understand why the US can't change their laws.


    Considering she is in Politics, one would hope she has a basic understanding as to what a Constitution is and why laws can't be passed that are in breach of the Constitution. It's not like the 2nd Amendment is hard to understand.
    Yeah but seriously, when was that constitution made up? 300 odd years ago maybe? Times have changed.
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    Drugged Driving

    Quote Originally Posted by Murray View Post
    I have to wonder about what the crap is regarding drugged drivers, 71 drugged drivers against 109 drunk driver deaths in fatal accidents makes it a no-brainer. Why the PUBLIC CONSULTATION. Get the bastards and bastardesses off the road NOW!!

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...driver-testing
    Morning.

    Not all the drugs analysed for and found were illegal drugs. Some will have been
    prescription drugs, given for legitimate medical conditions.

    The report included in the article lists a number of the most typical drugs found
    (often having a sedative effect). Not everyone reads the accompanying advisory
    notes handed out by pharmacists when collecting their prescription (e.g. do not
    operate heavy machinery ; do not consume in combination with alcohol). Or is
    necessarily aware of the impact upon their body.

    Points 70 onwards in the report lists the physical and legal challenges that Police
    and MOT face in doing roadside drug testing. If it was quick and easy and cheap,
    think that they would have already implemented such tests here in NZ.

    Roadside drug testing is done in Australia (QLD and NT), mainly for cannabis and
    meth. Particular focus has been on long distance haul drivers in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    Yeah but seriously, when was that constitution made up? 300 odd years ago maybe? Times have changed.
    Have they?

    The purpose of the 2A is to go the individual the ability to defend themselves and to defend against a tyrannical Government. Neither of those situations have changed in 300 years.

    but I must stress, I don't entirely agree with the 2A.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    Have they?

    The purpose of the 2A is to go the individual the ability to defend themselves and to defend against a tyrannical Government. Neither of those situations have changed in 300 years.

    but I must stress, I don't entirely agree with the 2A.
    So then according to their constitution it would be okay for someone to shoot trump
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    So then according to their constitution it would be okay for someone to shoot trump
    That's actually a fascinating question.

    The first part is whether you would consider Trump a Tyrant (I don't) but more importantly, what/how do you define a Tyrant?

    I would put that when a government passed laws that were commonly held to be in breach of the constitution or started violating Human Rights - then it would potentially provide justification for an Armed Rebellion under the intent of the 2A, however the 2A does not protect the individual from sanction or provide a justification for the act, it only applies access to the tools needed to do so.

    That would be a very interesting legal argument - that if an Administration did something that could be defined as Tyrannical and a group did rebel against the Government, whether they could cite the 2A and the various treatises written by the Founding Fathers for their defence.

    I genuinely don't know.

    I suspect the theory behind it holds that the expectation is that the populace would win the fight against the Government, and would then install themselves as the new Government, absolving themselves of their crimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    I would put that when a government passed laws that were commonly held to be in breach of the constitution or started violating Human Rights
    Like enforcing a mandatory vaccination requirement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    Like enforcing a mandatory vaccination requirement?
    Or causing global warming due to capitalistic beliefs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    Or causing global warming due to capitalistic beliefs.
    Well strictly speaking that's probably not a Human Rights violation but hey, I like the way you're starting to think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    Well strictly speaking that's probably not a Human Rights violation but hey, I like the way you're starting to think.
    It is a human rights violation it's just the lack of speed that is deceptive. That and until recently wasn't newsworthy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    So then according to their constitution it would be okay for someone to shoot trump
    You are forgetting you are talking to a guy that claims
    to know more
    about US laws than a US supreme court judge
    More abut US security that the FBI.
    More about what laws drafted than those who draft them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    You are forgetting you are talking to a guy that claims
    to know more
    about US laws than a US supreme court judge
    More abut US security that the FBI.
    More about what laws drafted than those who draft them.
    Bro...

    Your record is stuck.

    You might want to change it and get some new patter.
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