The 2017 Election Thread

[Woodman]

So why don't you do it?

Now come on thats a katman style diversion. You are way better than that.

And I don't need to do it, but I think its a good idea.

[Voltaire]

Aye. My point was there probably should be a link between taxing any entity and giving them a say in how their money is spent.

You'd never sell that here, but that's the point: there's plenty of examples where minorities are required to pay for shit by the majority. Nobody I know would call that fair or reasonable, but those same people will continue to vote themselves other peoples money. And now that you mention it, that other form of slavery wasn't voted out, it took a civil war.

I suspect that "broken link" was in fact a paywall. Which means you're subscribed to teh Harrold?

I'm telling Swoop.

Whilst not being as millen .... mellenial.... young people adjacent as stardust, I don't pay to read the Herald. quality media bludging/sharing is getting harder. I'm for user pays. Sell your stuff here including advertising leaches like Facebook/google/uber/airbnb and so on who are coining ( bitcoining) by not playing by the rules. Oh and probably amazon.

[Ocean1]

Waitaminute...

I smell a rat!

[Voltaire]

speaking of rats...

Ron Marks saying that both Nat and Lab may have to swallow some as NZ will be needed.

But worse....he plays country and western music.

I like Labs " No foreign ownership of existing houses by Chrissy", I'm sure that will be easy to get around.

[Ocean1]

speaking of rats...

Ron Marks saying that both Nat and Lab may have to swallow some as NZ will be needed.

But worse....he plays country and western music.

I like Labs " No foreign ownership of existing houses by Chrissy", I'm sure that will be easy to get around.

Yeah, if there's one thing worse than some rich prick paying more for shit than you can afford it's a foreign rich prick paying foreign cash for shit you can't afford.

And when other countries nationalise NZ assets inside their borders and impose import tariffs it took us a generation to dismantle in retaliation?

[oldrider]

Read this while poking about the net - thought it pertinent to our own political situation - like why the best laid plans of our politicians always fizzle out to nothing!

Could there be something in it that parallels our own situation? https://www.henrymakow.com/2017/09/T...s-the-NWO.html

Old Adage: "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" We probably all agree that our pollies start out intending to help the world and do good works?

Yet all we ever get is more and more pathetic MEDIOCRITY at best!

[Voltaire]

Yeah, if there's one thing worse than some rich prick paying more for shit than you can afford it's a foreign rich prick paying foreign cash for shit you can't afford.

And when other countries nationalise NZ assets inside their borders and impose import tariffs it took us a generation to dismantle in retaliation?

That's right, there must be thousands of Rich Prick Kiwis buying houses in Beijing....oh apart from that you can't if your a non resident.

Whats good for the Goose should be good for the Peking Duck



http://www.china.org.cn/english/Livi...ina/220516.htm

What Are the Rules for Foreigners Buying House in Beijing?


Foreigners who intend to buy a house in Beijing need a certificate issued by the Beijing Municipal Public Security Bureau to prove that they have stayed in China for at least one year for reasons of work or study, according to a statement jointly issued by six ministries led by the Construction Ministry.



The rule required that foreigners only use and dwell in the house themselves and not buy a house for other purposes.



Foreigners were also required to use their real names when buying a house in China.

[Ocean1]

That's right, there must be thousands of Rich Prick Kiwis buying houses in Beijing....oh apart from that you can't if your a non resident.

Whats good for the Goose should be good for the Peking Duck



http://www.china.org.cn/english/Livi...ina/220516.htm

Good point, and it'd be nice if the rules were the same worldwide, but there turns out to be fairly severe repercussions in trying to heavy hand trade partners that are 300 times your size.

So just how many Auckland houses are owned by Chinese rich pricks anyway? And are they paying more than Kiwis?

[Voltaire]

Good point, and it'd be nice if the rules were the same worldwide, but there turns out to be fairly severe repercussions in trying to heavy hand trade partners that are 300 times your size.

So just how many Auckland houses are owned by Chinese rich pricks anyway? And are they paying more than Kiwis?

Yeah, the Chinese might take kindly to that one Jacinda.

Only evidence seems to be anecdotal, but my BIL who was looking a purchasing a rental in 2015 worked local to BF and T's auction rooms and the few he went to

went to the person at the end of the phone.

Got a huge monstrosity being built across the road from me, been interesting seeing all the various tradies and PM's coming and going..... I'll give it to immigrants they sure put the hours in. Does look odd a large 4/5 bedroom two story house on what would struggle to be 400 square metres.

[Swoop]

I like Labs " No foreign ownership of existing houses by Chrissy", I'm sure that will be easy to get around.

Yes, it makes for a lovely sound bite that the media and plebs will lap up.
Putting it into practice would be ..."challenging" to say the least. As for having it done by imaginary sky-pixie's birthday.

Just put it onto the already lengthy list of stuff to "fix" that they already have written up:
Solve the house price crisis,
Eliminate homelessness on the streets (they have had their chance to fix this since the 70's - didn't work then either),
Eliminate "child poverty" (give away more taxpayers money to parents who will be off to the pokie machines asap),
Free education for everyone (to help their union mates in education),
Solve traffic problems throughout the country,
Help Winnie move Auckland's port up Norf,
Have sparkling clean rivers everywhere,
Solve all problems at hospitals, including the waiting lists,
Etc,

Got a huge monstrosity being built across the road from me, been interesting seeing all the various tradies and PM's coming and going..... I'll give it to immigrants they sure put the hours in. Does look odd a large 4/5 bedroom two story house on what would struggle to be 400 square metres.

Keep a really good eye on the place for the build quality.
I watched exactly the same happening on the North Shore and the place looked lovely, but dodgy as fuck. Weatherboards held on by one (yes ONE!) nail apart from the ends of the board where it met a window.
Weird design aspects too. Stunning views over the Waitemata so they put in really small windows! Like living in a Beijing apartment block.

[Ocean1]

Yeah, the Chinese might take kindly to that one Jacinda.

Only evidence seems to be anecdotal, but my BIL who was looking a purchasing a rental in 2015 worked local to BF and T's auction rooms and the few he went to

went to the person at the end of the phone.

Aye, the only stab at actual numbers I've seen was surprisingly small, not useful in supporting rampant xenophobia at all.

Maybe that's where I'm going wrong, I don't do auctions. Although I must admit I have made post-auction offers before now, one of which worked out.

I most certainly don't do "deadline" marketing bullshit either, if you want to sell me stuff then you get to tell me what you want for it and then I decide if that's what I want to pay, I'm fucked if I'll queue up to plead my case at the behest of some fuckwit that thinks he holds all the cards.

[Ocean1]

Keep a really good eye on the place for the build quality.
I watched exactly the same happening on the North Shore and the place looked lovely, but dodgy as fuck. Weatherboards held on by one (yes ONE!) nail apart from the ends of the board where it met a window.
Weird design aspects too. Stunning views over the Waitemata so they put in really small windows! Like living in a Beijing apartment block.

But, but... there's standards, and shit. How can they possibly be sub-optimal quality?

[pete376403]

Good point, and it'd be nice if the rules were the same worldwide, but there turns out to be fairly severe repercussions in trying to heavy hand trade partners that are 300 times your size.

So just how many Auckland houses are owned by Chinese rich pricks anyway? And are they paying more than Kiwis?

Can think of at least one

https://www.nbr.co.nz/opinion/keys-2...timing-english
"It went to a buyer in China"

[Ocean1]

Can think of at least one

https://www.nbr.co.nz/opinion/keys-2...timing-english
"It went to a buyer in China"

And the associated link confirms my recollection of the actual numbers: "Covering January to March 2017, the report shows 3 percent of all property transfers involved overseas tax resident buyers and 3 percent involved tax resident sellers."

A net foreign ownership growth of zero.

And that's not whether those living there are foreigners, it's just where the money comes from.

Depressing to see Winnie's xenophobic rants finding such fertile ground in a country where every one of us are recent immigrants.

[Voltaire]

And the associated link confirms my recollection of the actual numbers: "Covering January to March 2017, the report shows 3 percent of all property transfers involved overseas tax resident buyers and 3 percent involved tax resident sellers."

A net foreign ownership growth of zero.

And that's not whether those living there are foreigners, it's just where the money comes from.

Depressing to see Winnie's xenophobic rants finding such fertile ground in a country where every one of us are recent immigrants.

Suppose it comes down to what sources are?

I prefer the Herald one at 60% of houses sold went to Chinese investors and who can blame them with NZ being a soft touch and interest rates being so low.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ectid=11636711