The 2017 Election Thread

[husaberg]

So if you wanted to get some idea of how badly they've done since the global financial crisis you'd be interested in comparisons like this, no?:

NZ was insulated from the effects as they were not part of the first Asian crisis.
You can only compare NZ's debt to NZ's debt.
The Nats have done piss poor just as they also did in the last 2 National goverments.
Clearly when the rock star economy was suggested they meant Keith Richards spending all the money on Coke

[Ocean1]

NZ was insulated from the effects as they were not part of the first Asian crisis.
You can only compare NZ's debt to NZ's debt.
The Nats have done piss poor just as they also did in the last 2 National goverments.
Clearly when the rock star economy was suggested they meant Keith Richards spending all the money on Coke

Oh I get it, when there's a problem it's the Nat's fault, but when there's good shit happening it's fuck all to do with them.

And if you want to see how well NZ economic policy worked compared to those of other similar country's policies then it's pretty fucking pointless ignoring those other country's performance data innit?

Come on mate, fair suck of the sav, that "Rock Star" quote was from a completely impartial foreign economist, and in the international press most foreign economic commentators agreed with him. The only people that don't are die hard NZ socialists who can't stand any praise for "the Nat's". Generally, when a majority of impartial experts praise my country's efforts, (and we lead the world in a bunch of life quality metrics) I accept that as deserved praise for a job well done, not go looking for ways to use it as ammunition in some interminable Marxist war against the "ruling class elite".

[oldrider]

Otago Daily Times goes all out to make Labour (and the tooth fairy) sound like an attractive option - how bizarre!

[TheDemonLord]

She then said, "I'm a pretty communist? Did they intend that to be a compliment or an insult? I'm not entirely sure."

If she'd been called a Pretty Nazi - would she ask if it was a Compliment or Insult?

[husaberg]

Oh I get it, when there's a problem it's the Nat's fault, but when there's good shit happening it's fuck all to do with them.
:

That funny esp considering the NAas have bllammed Labour for the last nine years.
PS point to all the ""Good Shit" happening.

[Ocean1]

That funny esp considering the NAas have bllammed Labour for the last nine years.
PS point to all the ""Good Shit" happening.

Who's blamed who for what?

Good shit? I thought I just did: https://tradingeconomics.com/new-zealand/forecast

But just for you, from the first google "New Zealand best" page:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/7057...-living-report
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/mone...ty-index-again
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11594241
http://www.oecd.org/newzealand/econo...ew-zealand.htm
http://hdr.undp.org/sites/default/files/rankings.pdf
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7522...obal-UN-report
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/8877...s-in-the-world

I know it doesn't agree with all the heavily contrived doomsday narrative emanating from the left, but the fact is we're doing better than ever. Not only that but for some of the best of that good shit we're doing better than ever better than ever.

Sure, some of that has fuck all to do with political measures, but that doesn't stop the bone pointing when good shit fails to happen, now does it?

[husaberg]

Who's blamed who for what?

Good shit? From the first google "New Zealand best" page:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/7057...-living-report
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/mone...ty-index-again
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11594241
http://www.oecd.org/newzealand/econo...ew-zealand.htm
http://hdr.undp.org/sites/default/files/rankings.pdf
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7522...obal-UN-report
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/8877...s-in-the-world

I know it doesn't agree with all the heavily contrived doomsday narrative emanating from the left, but the fact is we're doing better than ever. Not only that but for some of the best of that good shit we're doing better than ever better than ever.

Sure, some of that has fuck all to do with political measures, but that doesn't stop the bone pointing when shit fails to happen good, now does it?

http://www.interest.co.nz/property/8...ntroduced-most
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2016/08/2...of-journalism/
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/...housing-crisis
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...ops-debt-blame
https://www.odt.co.nz/business/finan...ding-shortfall
political narative Yeah sure...........
Next you will say National is running a postive campaign with zero negitive scaremongering..................

[Ocean1]

Negative political narative Yeah sure...........
Next you will say National is running a postive campaign with zero negitive scaremongering..................

Dude, it's their job, that's why it's called "opposition", don't take it personally if the govt fires the odd broadside back.

Edit: And even I could have told her that particular piece of negative narrative was going to come back and bite her on the arse. https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/969...-vulnerability

So much for "relentlessly positive".

[Ocean1]

http://www.interest.co.nz/property/8...ntroduced-most
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2016/08/2...of-journalism/
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/...housing-crisis
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...ops-debt-blame
https://www.odt.co.nz/business/finan...ding-shortfall.

OK.

Did you read any of that?

Only the 4 articles reporting on the same thing about National's claim there was more housing price rise during Labour's 9 years in office than there was in the 8 National was, as I suggested a response to Labour's negative rhetoric on the housing "crisis". Literally everything else in those articles is comments foaming at the mouth about how the Nat's were to blame. Not a single refutation. You gotta assume they're right don't you?

[husaberg]

Dude, it's their job, that's why it's called "opposition", don't take it personally if the govt fires the odd broadside back.

Edit: And even I could have told her that particular piece of negative narrative was going to come back and bite her on the arse. https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/969...-vulnerability

So much for "relentlessly positive".

They were in response to questions as to why they have gone backwards for 9 years.
As for someone integrity how about all the questions Key and English won't answer?
https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/26...arclay-affair/
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politi...y-scandal.html
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11879385
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...cret-recording
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2017/06/2...lay-apologises

[husaberg]

OK.

Did you read any of that?

Only the 4 articles reporting on the same thing about National's claim there was more housing price rise during Labour's 9 years in office than there was in the 8 National was, as I suggested a response to Labour's negative rhetoric on the housing "crisis". Literally everything else in those articles is comments foaming at the mouth about how the Nat's were to blame. Not a single refutation. You gotta assume they're right don't you?

I read all of them.
Youre talking shit. Just as National was
its 2017, FFS Key didn't even think there was a housing crisis in Auckland.

[Ocean1]

They were in response to questions as to why they have gone backwards for 9 years.
As for someone integrity how about all the questions Key and English won't answer?
https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/26...arclay-affair/
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politi...y-scandal.html
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11879385
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...cret-recording
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2017/06/2...lay-apologises

No, they were about house prices.

And the apparently higher price rises under labour. Which none of those articles disputed.

[Ocean1]

I read all of them.
Youre talking shit. Just as National was
its 2017, FFS Key didn't even think there was a housing crisis in Auckland.

And you blame Key for not answering questions.

Just take a deep breath, mate, as someone noted the other day: most countries have political divide a mile wide, here it's about a foot. And apparently Key was right, if there's a housing crisis with price increases under National then there was more of a crisis under Labour.

[Berries]

Was she the head nurse?

No. She specialised in proctology.




Which was nice.

[husaberg]

No, they were about house prices.

And the apparently higher price rises under labour. Which none of those articles disputed.

See below

And you blame Key for not answering questions.

See above for questions you never answered

Just take a deep breath, mate, as someone noted the other day: most countries have political divide a mile wide, here it's about a foot. And apparently Key was right, if there's a housing crisis with price increases under National then there was more of a crisis under Labour.

You are confused, he spun the issue. Just as you are trying to now, Spin is not an answer.