Bogeyman
No, it's not, it's a coalition with policies nobody ever voted for.Originally Posted by Grumph
This whole "not perfect but better than FPP" theme is pointless, is the argument really that there's no system that results in an entity a majority voted for, so this'll do?
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Forum whore
Yeah. National NZ First is the worst case in that scenario in terms of clear policy driven Government. The added bonus is that Winston will fuck up any Government he's involved in and look at what happened to his voter base in '96 after he went and sold them down the river. Not had that level of support since.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
Bored Room
I suspect all the options are tainted by Big Business making 'donations' for candidate campaigns.....
Look at the US model and how that works out.....
DeMyer's Laws - an argument that consists primarily of rambling quotes isn't worth bothering with.
Bogeyman
Well no, you could speculate that he'll fuck up National's policy set 20% more than he would fuck up Labour's, and it'd still be closer to what more voted for.
And yes, minority interests fucking up governments is an excellent reason to arsehole MMP, maybe this time we'll learn.
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Bogeyman
As opposed to the unions having their own actual complete party to taint voter expectations with?
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Geriatric hoon
No, that's not correct. Whichever way it goes, the majority voted for them. Relax, put your feet up, there's a certain potential for entertainment in all of this - as long as you don't take it too seriously.
There is a grey blur, and a green blur. I try to stay on the grey one. - Joey Dunlop
Bogeyman
It's perfectly correct, absolutely nobody voted for policies that change after the election. Like most people you seem to believe in voting for or against parties or people, rather than policies.No, that's not correct. Whichever way it goes, the majority voted for them. Relax, put your feet up, there's a certain potential for entertainment in all of this - as long as you don't take it too seriously.
And I stopped taking it seriously the day it became obvious that people had begun voting themselves other people'e earnings for no reason other than they wanted them. And that was before I was old enough to vote.
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Bored Room
Unions....I vaguely remember being in the Electrical Workers Union..... are they still around?As opposed to the unions having their own actual complete party to taint voter expectations with?
DeMyer's Laws - an argument that consists primarily of rambling quotes isn't worth bothering with.
Forum whore
Never a more true statement said.p, there's a certain potential for entertainment in all of this - as long as you don't take it too seriously.
Forum whore
I see what you did there but it's not policy he's going to fuck up the most. It will be the capability for National to be electable enough to be in a Governing coalition. He just wants to sit at the big table and going with National will give him the most influence. He'll fuck National's policy base and NZ First's to do that and given this is probably his last term in Parliament, he won't care if NZ First is electable next election either.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
Just faidin away!
At absolute best MMP is designed to deliver mediocrity through compromised policies and time wasting talk fests - such as is happening right now!
The only real power the electorate has is to vote governments out - but of course by then it is too late!
Forum whore
FPP is the same except you have to accept that a minority Government is making changes that can't be undone until - you vote them out.At absolute best MMP is designed to deliver mediocrity through compromised policies and time wasting talk fests - such as is happening right now!
The only real power the electorate has is to vote governments out - but of course by then it is too late!
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
Bogeyman
It's called the Labour Party. They've scaled back the retail fucking up of workplaces, nowadays they concentrate on the wholesale side of fucking shit up.
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Just faidin away!
I am not an advocate for FPP - STV is/was my preference because it makes the candidate more accountable to the electorate! (voter)
There have been dalliances with STV in local body elections etc and I wonder if our voters could actually manage it in a general election?
Forum whore
STV is mine as well and, yes, people are generally less stupid than one imagines. I think pretty much anything other than FPP and MMP are better than either.I am not an advocate for FPP - STV is/was my preference because it makes the candidate more accountable to the electorate! (voter)
There have been dalliances with STV in local body elections etc and I wonder if our voters could actually manage it in a general election?
I'd settle for electronic voting though, irrespective of system.
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