The 2017 Election Thread

[TheDemonLord]

Winston is pretty clearly getting revenge on the Nazis for (as he saw it) fucking him over in 96 or whenever it was, plus he wants to be able to point to something he achieved when he retired... which he can only do in Government.

Because personal vendettas have always been the most stable reasons for forming alliances...

Or failing to acknowledge there is an issue with child poverty and institutionalised poverty.

I was having this conversation with my wife - if ANY party in NZ was serious about dealing with Child Poverty, there is a very simple solution:

If you aren't in full time work, paying your own way - you are on long term, reversible contraception. Now my Wife trotted out the "but it's their right to have Kids", to which my retort was "If it is their right, then it is also their responsibility to make sure they can raise them"

If you consider it's a large percentage of kids who are considered 'impoverished' are born to people who can't even support themselves, let alone a child - imagine if we removed those from the equation, and that meant the current funding could be diverted to people who find themselves in poverty through bad luck - imagine the good we could do.

so yeah I had a couple of wines to celebrate.

Was it a nice Merlot or Bordeux?

[James Deuce]

If you consider it's a large percentage of kids who are considered 'impoverished' are born to people who can't even support themselves, let alone a child.

You can be in that state in an instant without knowing it has happened. And EVERYONE, without fail, just labels you a fuckwit failure and you deserve it. Irrespective of circumstance. As soon as it has happened you are part of the problem. There is no delineation between bad luck, poor management, or zero opportunity. As soon as you are poor, asset-less and without debt, you are a non-person bludger.

[TheDemonLord]

You can be in that state in an instant without knowing it has happened. And EVERYONE, without fail, just labels you a fuckwit failure and you deserve it. Irrespective of circumstance. As soon as it has happened you are part of the problem. There is no delineation between bad luck, poor management, or zero opportunity. As soon as you are poor, asset-less and without debt, you are a non-person bludger.

For sure - but let me Channel the spirit of Cassina for the moment:

Would you say that in those situations (just like riding) there are decisions that you can make that can limit your exposure and mitigate risk?

But for clarity - My ire is not so much directed at those who have found themselves suddenly in poverty (bad investment, lost job etc.) as despite my comment above, I have sympathies there. What irks me are those who cannot support themselves, either financially or mentally, who go on to have children without the means to raise them, and then expect (and in some cases demand) that others pay for their choices. Like when you hear of people on the Benefit/Dole complaining that they don't get enough and say things like "Well, why shouldn't my kids have a nice Christmas?" or "Why shouldn't they have a holiday?".

[jasonu]

I didn't know Trump was involved.....

It was the Russians.....what a joke!!!

[Brian d marge]

You can be in that state in an instant without knowing it has happened. And EVERYONE, without fail, just labels you a fuckwit failure and you deserve it. Irrespective of circumstance. As soon as it has happened you are part of the problem. There is no delineation between bad luck, poor management, or zero opportunity. As soon as you are poor, asset-less and without debt, you are a non-person bludger.

But ur not , they sold ur future earning before your age of 7. Of which you can claim back.
Don't ask how, I got so lost in legalese it took months of kb therapy before I came right again.
Even down to the correct type of blue paper ,otherwise the claim in null and void
I kid u not

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[Brian d marge]

For sure - but let me Channel the spirit of Cassina for the moment:

Would you say that in those situations (just like riding) there are decisions that you can make that can limit your exposure and mitigate risk?

But for clarity - My ire is not so much directed at those who have found themselves suddenly in poverty (bad investment, lost job etc.) as despite my comment above, I have sympathies there. What irks me are those who cannot support themselves, either financially or mentally, who go on to have children without the means to raise them, and then expect (and in some cases demand) that others pay for their choices. Like when you hear of people on the Benefit/Dole complaining that they don't get enough and say things like "Well, why shouldn't my kids have a nice Christmas?" or "Why shouldn't they have a holiday?".

Btw less than half of the social security bugdet is claimed by the hard done by
14 % off top of head is claimed by Bennie bashers
Over and it is just over 50% is claimed by the oldies pension

Save the money let the largest drain on the budget pay their own way ..fk em ,
Had their chance , did fk all so fk em



If ya wa

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[gsxr]

It is as it is. The decision tonight is the result of a MMP system that exists in NZ currently.
Many will be happy and many will be disappointed with the final result. That is no different to a final result
of a FPP system on election night.
Whether this partnership will work remains to be seen.Full details of the coalition have not been released to date nor
solid and sound economic policy which is paramount.
Personally 2 policies that wernt election issues were justice and the setting up of a CCRC and commuter rail for Christchurch which is part of both Labour and NZ First policy.
National steadfastly opposed both of these obviously to maintain the protectionist system within their control.
Whilst neither of the policies will be acted upon in the immediate future it at last opens the previously locked doors to such proposals.

[Grumph]

It is as it is. The decision tonight is the result of a MMP system that exists in NZ currently.
Many will be happy and many will be disappointed with the final result. That is no different to a final result
of a FPP system on election night.
Whether this partnership will work remains to be seen.Full details of the coalition have not been released to date nor
solid and sound economic policy which is paramount.
Personally 2 policies that wernt election issues were justice and the setting up of a CCRC and commuter rail for Christchurch which is part of both Labour and NZ First policy.
National steadfastly opposed both of these obviously to maintain the protectionist system within their control.
Whilst neither of the policies will be acted upon in the immediate future it at last opens the previously locked doors to such proposals.

It will indeed be interesting to see how the ChCh recovery policies differ. Those outside Canterbury don't want to hear just how much of promised work hasn't been done - or started. And I note that the Kaikoura quakes are starting to show the same skewed priorities as we saw in Chch.

[Woodman]

I don't believe that Jacinda Adearn shaves her armpits.

[MGST]

It is as it is. The decision tonight is the result of a MMP system that exists in NZ currently.
Many will be happy and many will be disappointed with the final result. That is no different to a final result
of a FPP system on election night.

Yes it will be different to FPP on election night. The system is clearly broken when a minority party who scraped in barely above the minimum 5%, and are effectively a one-man show, get to decide who will govern the country. On the news this morning they said that, amoung other things, Winston went with Labour because the country wanted change. How can that be when National won on the night with a clear margin? Stupid old fool needs be put out in the back paddock. This kind of thing makes a joke of the whole system, and makes the country look like a backwater.

[pete376403]

I don't believe that Jacinda Adearn shaves her armpits.

Neither does Bill English

[Swoop]

Hang on a minute. The Greens haven't made a decision yet.

Let's hope that they have NO access whatsoever to the treasury portfolio.

Winston is pretty clearly getting revenge on the Nazis for (as he saw it) fucking him over in 96 or whenever it was...

Correct. When he was promised "more seats" by national but was then shafted by Bolger / Shipley swapping seats and renegging on the deal.


It is odd to see so many NZF "ministers" and is well out of proportion to the numbers represented on election night.
So much for "negotiations", as I posted previously this was nothing less than a hostage situation.


Let's hope that another massive natural disaster does not hit the country.

[Paulo]

Loved seeing that smarmy Fuck Hoskings looking like he is going to cry, and today he's whinging on the radio and in print that the sky is falling what a jumped up alarmist little cunt. In NZ there's not that much difference between our left and right no ones going to be paying more taxes and hopefully there will be less corporate crime (which cost' the tax payer ten times more than paying the bennies)
I am not going to miss seeing Paula Bennett Simon Bridges the nasty troll Judith ('my chinese Businessman husband is raping our country for profit') Orivida Collins the fucking useless Brownlee who has done fuck all for Christchurch, The vain Maggie Barry (i'm still a TV star), Nick 'fuck you all motorcylists' Smith or that 19 year old tobbacco lobbyist that Southland voted in for fuck sake (who never shows up for work)

I still maintain that the only person to enter parliament with honest intentions was Guy Fawkes.

Fun times.

[Woodman]

Neither does Bill English

Yeah but Bill is a bloke. Seriously she doesn't even try to flash herself at all. She is representing our country now, the least she could do is get a complete makeover.

[ellipsis]

Yeah but Bill is a bloke. Seriously she doesn't even try to flash herself at all. She is representing our country now, the least she could do is get a complete makeover.

...when you take your hand off your cock, go and clean your teeth and get a haircut...wanker...