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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    It is quite disturbing to hear liarbour's approach to finances.

    Under Helen C they borrowed and borrowed and taxed and taxed. Little mans plan appears the same.

    I'm trying to keep an open mind but it does not compute. Last week they said they would repeal the Nats $2 billion tax cuts and use that money for low income and benefit increases. Fair enough. Exit dollars equals zero then.

    Then they said they would ensure big corporates paid their taxes - a extra 2 billion. Good call. Dollars are plus 2 billion.

    Then they announce 8 billion more for schools, hospitals etc and when asked say it comes out of the Nats tax cuts ......

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllanB View Post
    Under Helen C they borrowed and borrowed and taxed and taxed. Little mans plan appears the same.

    I'm trying to keep an open mind but it does not compute. Last week they said they would repeal the Nats $2 billion tax cuts and use that money for low income and benefit increases. Fair enough. Exit dollars equals zero then.

    Then they said they would ensure big corporates paid their taxes - a extra 2 billion. Good call. Dollars are plus 2 billion.

    Then they announce 8 billion more for schools, hospitals etc and when asked say it comes out of the Nats tax cuts ......
    You expected socialists to answer questions about funding rationally?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    You expected socialists to answer questions about funding rationally?
    Dude, they're about as socialist as John Key, or have you missed the last 30 years? The sooner Labour and National just get a room, the sooner politics in this country will make a hell of a lot more sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nerrrd View Post
    Dude, they're about as socialist as John Key, or have you missed the last 30 years? The sooner Labour and National just get a room, the sooner politics in this country will make a hell of a lot more sense.
    That's true. They've both lurched significantly to port over the last decades.

    What you get with the whole vote buying thing, y'know.
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    Vote for Winston as he's by far the most entertaining.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire View Post
    Vote for Winston as he's by far the most entertaining.
    Entertaining like a loud fart. Quite funny in rhe right situation, but never as a main attraction
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    Quote Originally Posted by nerrrd View Post
    Dude, they're about as socialist as John Key, or have you missed the last 30 years? The sooner Labour and National just get a room, the sooner politics in this country will make a hell of a lot more sense.
    They are all in the same room now - no matter which of them form a government the results for the electorate are always the same!

    The first government I was ever "aware of" was Labour led by Peter Fraser (1947?) every change since then has been simply cosmetic bullshit!

    Follow the money - nothing ever gets done without "money" - he who pays the piper calls the tune - "Treasury department" - public servants politicians rely upon!

    Politicians may come and go while treasury employees remain the same - "yes minister" is a humorous TV skit about this very situation!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nerrrd View Post
    Dude, they're about as socialist as John Key, or have you missed the last 30 years? The sooner Labour and National just get a room, the sooner politics in this country will make a hell of a lot more sense.
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    Bill English will never be mistaken for an eloquent speaker like Lange or Peters but Andrew Little has looked very ordinary ... flustered even, when challenged by an interviewer as he has been the last two Tuesday mornings on TV1's Breakfast show (which is hardly cutting edge political interviewing). I'm thinking that National may well look forward to the leader debates this time around.
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    Well, this is interesting.

    The benefit fraud of Meteria Turei is greater than portrayed as a "single mum making ends meet" scenario.

    While studying for a 3-year Law Degree, this apparently covers multiple houses and different locations.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11894768
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    Well, this is interesting.

    The benefit fraud of Meteria Turei is greater than portrayed as a "single mum making ends meet" scenario.

    While studying for a 3-year Law Degree, this apparently covers multiple houses and different locations.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11894768
    And meanwhile Paula Bennett is going to significant effort to cover up her own benefit fraud.

    I suspect the next few weeks will get rather tricky for her.

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    So are single mum benefits are going to be an election issue, or is shit just going be slung about who frauded who the most in such circumstance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    And meanwhile Paula Bennett is going to significant effort to cover up her own benefit fraud.

    I suspect the next few weeks will get rather tricky for her.
    unfortunately the women we currently have in the limelight in politics is showing exactly what it is, they are there and were put there to fill quota's which in itself makes me wonder if any of the other women that are currently in politics are there for the same reason.
    i am not averse to voting for a woman if she so deserves it but with paula bennet and Meteria Turei getting away with what they seem to be getting away with then it can only make one question the integrity of all other woman in politics.

    the reason for stating this is quite simply due to the fact that if a man had done what either of these two had done they would have quite rightly been thrown under a bus unlike these two queer bitches who seem to be getting made out to be fuckin martyrs.
    that stupid Turei bitch is tainting every person who is making ends meet on any benefit and yes there are a lot who do.

    quite honestly with the crap we have running for parliament for these elections then it appears that our country is fucked

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    Quote Originally Posted by russd7 View Post
    unfortunately the women we currently have in the limelight in politics is showing exactly what it is, they are there and were put there to fill quota's which in itself makes me wonder if any of the other women that are currently in politics are there for the same reason.
    i am not averse to voting for a woman if she so deserves it but with paula bennet and Meteria Turei getting away with what they seem to be getting away with then it can only make one question the integrity of all other woman in politics.

    the reason for stating this is quite simply due to the fact that if a man had done what either of these two had done they would have quite rightly been thrown under a bus unlike these two queer bitches who seem to be getting made out to be fuckin martyrs.
    that stupid Turei bitch is tainting every person who is making ends meet on any benefit and yes there are a lot who do.

    quite honestly with the crap we have running for parliament for these elections then it appears that our country is fucked
    That's some pretty fucked up logic, the only thing that should make you question their integrity is their actions, gender bias can fuck off to the 1900s.

    Greens have a history and voter base of people tolerant to law breaking from those on low wages. I think they should both get slammed for it, (if Paula Bennet did actually commit benefit fraud), max fines etc. I don't see any gender bias in the current lack of prosecution either.
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    All these evel tax cuts the greens and greens lite are so rabidly against. Nobody seems to have mentioned the effect creeping tax increases due to inflation have had, bumping more and more income into higher brackets. I wonder what current taxation is, in real terms compared to when the current tax rates were last set.

    National lowered rates some time ago for exactly that reason, and even then I believe they were still well above the real rates they claimed to be corrected from. Without such a correction we'd eventually all be effectively paying more or less the premium rate. It does seem increasingly the case that they're taxing middle income NZ simply to give pretty much the same amount back to them in the form of subsidies. Why not simply let them keep it?
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