The 2017 Election Thread

[Brian d marge]

now that a lot of deadwood has been removed, we could Nationalise everything

Only the currency .... And sandshoes there's work to be done.

Ps . I'm being serious hahaha


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[Crasherfromwayback]

How much is a GP visit?

Normally around $55.00. But if your GP, like mine, is as busy as fuck and you can't get in, a visit to the after hours emergency clinic is around $100.00. How many can afford that?

[Swoop]

The facts remain: Labour blew the tax from the highest revenue years in NZ history. Spent the lot.

Ahh. But we got a high-performance, low-maintenance, world class rail system which was demanded by the public and able to be used 24/7 by commuters and freight companies at exceptionally low costs in return!

See what happens when we get a labour government. The All Blacks lose, and this is just the start.

They had to lose.
South Africa, Argentina, Wales and Australia formed a coalition and declared a moral victory!

[eldog]

Normally around $55.00. But if your GP, like mine, is as busy as fuck and you can't get in, a visit to the after hours emergency clinic is around $100.00. How many can afford that?

probably not many - I have no idea on this, community services card?
I was at the dentist a little while ago - a bloke came in and wanted to pay his bill, seems like social welfare were going to pay it but he didn't have his card, $10 a week I think.

but busy is relative, bit like airports - they schedule all the flights to come in batches with rest periods in between

[eldog]

Ahh. But we got a high-performance, low-maintenance, world class rail system which was demanded by the public and able to be used 24/7 by commuters and freight companies at exceptionally low costs in return!!

The freight trains definitely appear to be much longer

In Auckland the area is too narrow that trains service IMHO
and the parking areas are way too small and patrolled by thieves

reliability ?

recent travellers have suggested trains generally run on time, with same sort of breakdowns as the London Underground

[Katman]

Waaaahhhh!!!!

Waaaahhhh!!!!

Waaaahhhh!!!!

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/chil...d-91842096.jpg

[Brian d marge]

Normally around $55.00. But if your GP, like mine, is as busy as fuck and you can't get in, a visit to the after hours emergency clinic is around $100.00. How many can afford that?

Here in Japan a filling is 25 dollars ( 3000 yen) a doctor is 20 ..and hospital is 25% of cost .....

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[Brian d marge]

The freight trains definitely appear to be much longer

In Auckland the area is too narrow that trains service IMHO
and the parking areas are way too small and patrolled by thieves

reliability ?

recent travellers have suggested trains generally run on time, with same sort of breakdowns as the London Underground

The wrong snow , too much sunlight or rain , 11 min late due to points failure at Clapham junction?

Im impressed if NZ rail have reached the level of service offered by British rail

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[eldog]

The wrong snow , too much sunlight or rain , 11 min late due to points failure at Clapham junction?

Im impressed if NZ rail have reached the level of service offered by British rail

level of service similar, usually on time ish, the occasional line not available, different train but similar in that respect.

The amount of trains/people moved - Yeah, nah totally different.

but it is better than it was before.

preferred Berlin then London then Paris underground experience
Hong Kong and China was another experience - quite pleasant really
(haven't been to Japan)

still think London Oyster card is the best.

[Ocean1]

So you don't believe the ministry of heaths own figures
show us all the figures then that shows in real terms the healthcare funding has never been higher in real terms.

remember you posted this

Note this was Labours spending not nationals spending you deluded idiot
look at the dates.


Its estimated that $2.3 billion was needed to restore funding for 2017/18 to 2009/10 levels. Only $0.8 billion was provided so the shortfall compared to 2010 is $1.4 billion.
This shortfall has steadily grown over those years. It means that the next Government will need to find well over $2 billion for 2018/19 if it wishes to restore the value of funding. • The Health Vote is forecast to rise slightly as a proportion of Gross Domestic Product (GDP), but only because of the pay equity settlement for care and support workers. If it had maintained the proportion of GDP it had in 2009/10, it would be $1.6 billion higher in 2017/18. • District Health Boards (DHBs) are underfunded by an estimated $107 million below what they need to cover increased costs and demographic changes. •

Look at the graph fuckwit, none of the opinion, (some of it from labour sources) you're posting agrees with the simple fact that we're spending significantly more on health than ever.

And I didn't at any stage suggest that all of that was under a national govt.

So unbunch your panties before you launch into yet another completely unrelated gallop.

[Ocean1]

It matters not one flying fuck if funding has never been higher, if the need for more is rising at a much higher rate though eh?. It's called a shortfall.

There has never and will never be enough funding to fulfill expectations of health care.

Again, doesn't change the fact that the taxpayer is spending significantly more on health than ever before.

None of the bloated rhetoric claiming otherwise makes that a shortfall of anything other than infantile expectations.

[Grumph]

How much is a GP visit?

With the appropriate cards, $45. Without them at the same GP, $70.

Fillings from $110 - $200 plus depending on amount of work.

Tooth removal at DHB public clinic once you've realised you can't afford fillings - about $50 per tooth with the right cards.
This goes a long way to explaining Brian D'marg comment about Appalachian standard of teeth in ChCh...

[jasonu]

Normally around $55.00. But if your GP, like mine, is as busy as fuck and you can't get in, a visit to the after hours emergency clinic is around $100.00. How many can afford that?

Aren't kids and seniors free? Those that actually work for actual money can surely afford $50-$100. That leaves dole bludgers and other welfare spongers who already get free money and if that lot layed off the fags, booze, gear, Big Macs, $7 lattes and KFC for a bit I'm sure they would have more than enough for the occasional visit to the Quack.

[Grumph]

Aren't kids and seniors free? Those that actually work for actual money can surely afford $50-$100. That leaves dole bludgers and other welfare spongers who already get free money and if that lot layed off the fags, booze, gear, Big Macs, $7 lattes and KFC for a bit I'm sure they would have more than enough for the occasional visit to the Quack.

Kids uder I think 8 are free. Seniors, fuck no. Full price unless you qualify for a community services card - ie long term illness or disability.

Seriously? dole bludgers ? just when did you leave NZ ? DSW or whatever their current name is are better at sniffing out the reluctant to work and cutting the benefit than the Gestapo were at finding Jews - and quicker too.

[husaberg]

Got any numbers to go with that dude?

Outside of the number of media feeding frenzy quotes from insiders with a vested interest, obviously...

Look at the graph fuckwit, none of the opinion, (some of it from labour sources) you're posting agrees with the simple fact that we're spending significantly more on health than ever..

In real terms National has underfunded healthcare. They have funded in in real terms less than it was previously this is a fact. due to population increase aging population and increased wagess and opperating cost they have continuied to underfund healthcare
This is why you posted labours data by mistake thinking it proved your point it was an epic fail.

Got any numbers to go with that dude?

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I gave all the figures you think you know better you retard

We've done this before dude, health spending in real terms has increased more in the last decade than at any time in our history, you no listen.
http://www.treasury.govt.nz/publicat...0/10-01/23.htm

Look at the graph fuckwit, none of the opinion, (some of it from labour sources) you're posting agrees with the simple fact that we're spending significantly more on health than ever.

And I didn't at any stage suggest that all of that was under a national govt.
.

Yet you post data from labours term in power what part of that can you not understand. then claim you are talking about the last decade when National was in power.
But then claim you make no reference to National Fuck you need to sort yourself out