The 2017 Election Thread

[Swoop]

You voted for liarbour, so here come the taxes.

Not that you weren't warned this would happen.

[husaberg]

You voted for liarbour, so here come the taxes.

Not that you weren't warned this would happen.

If Auckland in the future gets charged extra money for fuel that the rest of the country curently subsidises, to pay for infrastructure the rest of the country also currently heavily subsidises, yet doesn’t use or need or want.
I honestly can't see the rest of the country shedding many tears over it. Afterall user pays is right wing ideal is it not?

It was National who adopted the practice of taking most the money from the road user charges and fuel levies that traditionally went to the local councils ,this money was what was used to repair the roads that the road user charges and fuel levies were actually generated on .
National instead raped the rural roading system to give this money to the “roads of national significance“ IE AUCKLAND.

[neels]

If Auckland in the future gets charged extra money for fuel that the rest of the country scurently ubsidises to pay for infrastructure the rest of the country also currently heavily subsidises, yet doesn’t use or need or want.
I honestly can't see the rest of the country shedding many tears over it. Afterall user pays is right wing ideal is it not?

Strangely, the right wing 'user pays' mentality doesn't seem to apply to building roads in Auckland so they can all drive with one person in one car on the motorway at 10kph, I have recently experienced this at 2pm on a weekday and it's just fucking stupid.

Imagine what the rates would be if they had to fund their own overconsumption of fossil fuels to drive from the suburbs to their place of work a ridiculous distance away, just so they can avoid the high density housing that actually makes sense for the size of the population, that cities in developed countries with sensible public transport systems have.

[Voltaire]

Fuck Auckland. The rest of the country has been paying extra taxes for their shit for fucking decades.

Really....last time I was in your small town all it seemed to do was Govt stuff, hardly what you call productive

I see they have got rid of electric buses and replaced them with.... 44 gallon drum roll...diesel buses.

[husaberg]

Strangely, the right wing 'user pays' mentality doesn't seem to apply to building roads in Auckland so they can all drive with one person in one car on the motorway at 10kph, I have recently experienced this at 2pm on a weekday and it's just fucking stupid.

Imagine what the rates would be if they had to fund their own overconsumption of fossil fuels to drive from the suburbs to their place of work a ridiculous distance away, just so they can avoid the high density housing that actually makes sense for the size of the population, that cities in developed countries with sensible public transport systems have.

As far as i can make out the Auckland economy is based on driving to cafes to be seen at said cafes drinking coffee.
They need a large dense population density to both serve the coffee and observe the drinking as well as to drink the coffee to make it totally successful.
It’s a real shame that this coffee drinking does not actually directly correlate to either rugby or Rugby league success.

[mada]

You voted for liarbour, so here come the taxes.

Not that you weren't warned this would happen.

The tax lie is similar to the poverty lie.

Relative to the rest of the world we have sweet f all poverty. Relative to the rest of the world, especially Western countries we pay sweet f all tax.

[FJRider]

They need a large dense population density to both serve the coffee and observe the drinking as well as to drink the coffee to make it totally successful.

The question that needs to be asked ... how dense do the population need to be ... to live (for want of a better word) in Auckland ... ???

[FJRider]

The tax lie is similar to the poverty lie.

Relative to the rest of the world we have sweet f all poverty. Relative to the rest of the world, especially Western countries we pay sweet f all tax.

Half the current population have relatives in the rest of the world ...

[eldog]

The question that needs to be asked ... how dense do the population need to be ... to live (for want of a better word) in Auckland ... ???

Most of the population are dense.

in auckland

[eldog]

As far as i can make out the Auckland economy is based on driving to cafes to be seen at said cafes drinking coffee.
They need a large dense population density to both serve the coffee and observe the drinking as well as to drink the coffee to make it totally successful.
It’s a real shame that this coffee drinking does not actually directly correlate to either rugby or Rugby league success.

It’s because we have enough spare time to do a couple of hours work in between coffee bing drinking.

akl population is so diverse and apathetic, they don’t support local clubs or events.

look at the crowds at games...... so many.
Only recently has the transport even remotely being up to the task.
then again we can watch it on tv/web why bother going to pay lots of $$$ to watch and then feel ripped off when buying food/drink and spend 10 or so minutes waiting in a food queue.

so no wonder rugby & league are falling behind up here.

i suspect if akl Council gets money back from govt or a fuel levy, then it won’t be long before other centres do the same.

i would like to see the fund become more accountable and spent in the areas it is supposed to.
i would also like to see that the jobs are done properly and are tested after guaranteed time to be up to a standard, repaired rather than the quick cheap chip seal over like current that lasts a few weeks or is so slippery when it rains causes accidents.

from what I hear and saw a while back South Island roads are much better, maybe it’s the coarser stone chip spec.

interested in your views on SI road specs

[eldog]

Half the current population have relatives in the rest of the world ...

They are coming to live in a town near you.

[husaberg]

The question that needs to be asked ... how dense do the population need to be ... to live (for want of a better word) in Auckland ... ???

I initially thought it was a typo, then i realised it was a Freudianslip. So i left it in.
Your mother

[husaberg]

It’s because we have enough spare time to do a couple of hours work in between coffee bing drinking.

akl population is so diverse and apathetic, they don’t support local clubs or events.

look at the crowds at games...... so many.
Only recently has the transport even remotely being up to the task.
then again we can watch it on tv/web why bother going to pay lots of $$$ to watch and then feel ripped off when buying food/drink and spend 10 or so minutes waiting in a food queue.

so no wonder rugby & league are falling behind up here.

It would be all to easy to be apathetic over the Auckland sporting results

i suspect if akl Council gets money back from govt or a fuel levy, then it won’t be long before other centres do the same.
i would like to see the fund become more accountable and spent in the areas it is supposed to.

thats how it used to be only the heavy vehicle levies were spent where they were accrued and generated from National changed that.

i would also like to see that the jobs are done properly and are tested after guaranteed time to be up to a standard, repaired rather than the quick cheap chip seal over like current that lasts a few weeks or is so slippery when it rains causes accidents.

from what I hear and saw a while back South Island roads are much better, maybe it’s the coarser stone chip spec.

interested in your views on SI road specs

Yes we have corser chip, on most part due to the rainfall. inregards to fine chip they use finner chip on reseal jobs. something to do with seal adhesion
Grips not an issue here the roads here are roads are falling to bits due to the increased traffic but lower funding. The money is being siphoned off to latte land.

[eldog]

It would be all to easy to be apathetic over the Auckland sporting results

Yes we have corser chip, on most part due to the rainfall. inregards to fine chip they use finner chip on reseal jobs. something to do with seal adhesion
Grips not an issue here the roads here are roads are falling to bits due to the increased traffic but lower funding. The money is being siphoned off to latte land.

We spend a lot of money up here on crap repairs with a lot of money spent on H&S hand holding
Rather than the job and the result, often 2 weeks or less the repairs start falling apart.

or lots of loose chip to really piss you off on your ride

all for better road design/construction at the start, esp on high traffic loading areas.

[Grumph]

You voted for liarbour, so here come the taxes.

Not that you weren't warned this would happen.

It has amused me today to see the moaning from Auckland - the fuel prices I see quoted are at least 10c per litre lower than I pay here.

Welcome to fuel price equality...