The 2017 Election Thread

[husaberg]

you could have fooled me
there seems to endless people doing nothing in south Auckland - day and night

They are clearly coffee baristas working alternate shifts.
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...post1131068950

[Crasherfromwayback]

Boo fucking hoo.
We are well used to that over here with out new Prez. The lib media hasn't stopped since he got in.

Lol. If you think you can compare the welcome to Jacinda to Trump, you're fucking simple. One deserves it.

[Swoop]

for public transport you should check out the Sydney metro upgrade and extension 8.6 billion

I'm sure Sydney could use it.
I was using the London Underground recently, so comparing what exists there and what will happen once Crossrail opens, and with what Auckland (or Sydney) has...

NZ. Doing shit on the cheap, since "forever"...

[RDJ]

Just back from an assignment in Sydney

1. trains in evenings and weekends - scarce. Waits up to 45 minutes.
2. road maggot cycle lanes everywhere - unoccupied by the Lycra Brigade but no-one else allowed in them
3. Religion of Peace (TM) adherents all over the place... aggressively so, & they get right in your face if you're not enthusiastically onboard with Sydney's Sharia-complacency

I don't see Sydney as an example to emulate. That is all.

[oldrider]

Don't think so...This lot have come in with actual ideas and seem prepared to change things. I look forward with interest to seeing how it's done.

Especially interested in their plans for the reserve bank act etc and what priority they give it? It is in the "also-run" basket at present - watch this space!

[eldog]

The bridge had toll booths so user pays.

only when your leaving Auckland...... they should have put it on the other way around and charged the earth

and one at Penrose... both ways

[eldog]

Just back from an assignment in Sydney

1. trains in evenings and weekends - scarce. Waits up to 45 minutes.
2. road maggot cycle lanes everywhere - unoccupied by the Lycra Brigade but no-one else allowed in them
3. Religion of Peace (TM) adherents all over the place... aggressively so, & they get right in your face if you're not enthusiastically onboard with Sydney's Sharia-complacency

I don't see Sydney as an example to emulate. That is all.

its what they plan to do.......

Its def not the place to emulate, but the idea that the trains could have been spread out over a bigger area like a spiders web

too late now

RoP? - its been a while since I have been there. I have an invitation to go back for a visit to a sick mate (been dying for ages) soon might be the right time. Can also check out the motorbike accessory shops but usually the prices are better here just not the selection

[eldog]

Three years of "Yes Minister" government as all the newcomers seek out parliamentary advice from their public servant advisers - should be interesting at least!

and Yes Prime Minister, takes me back......

[nerrrd]

c
Sorry to burst your bubble but Aucklands hardly an economic powerhouse, Aucklands GDP per capitia is barely above the national average.$58,717 vs $54,178.
Aucklands economy is substantially parasistic on the rest of the nation.
I would be intersted to see the figures to back up the asertion that Labour had emptied the coffers.
Quite the contary in fact they had paid off most of NZs substantial national debt, National spent the whole time borrowing adtitional money.

But we're talking income taxes/levies aren't we? Not GDP. Auckland has the biggest population by far. By far (there's 1.4 million of us). That's nearly four times the next biggest (Christchurch). I think it's a stretch to say that we (as in the citizens of Auckland) aren't paying our way. It's not like we can turn the city into a dairy farm, after all.

Oh and please stop judging the whole city by all the media luvvies you see/hear on tv/radio. They may live in Ponsonby and flit from cafe to cafe but the rest of us don't. I don't even like coffee. You're all so judge-y.

[husaberg]

But we're talking income taxes/levies aren't we? Not GDP. Auckland has the biggest population by far. By far (there's 1.4 million of us). That's nearly four times the next biggest (Christchurch). I think it's a stretch to say that we (as in the citizens of Auckland) aren't paying our way. It's not like we can turn the city into a dairy farm, after all.

Oh and please stop judging the whole city by all the media luvvies you see/hear on tv/radio. They may live in Ponsonby and flit from cafe to cafe but the rest of us don't. I don't even like coffee. You're all so judge-y.

Auckland dosn't pay its own way its subsidised by the rest of the country in regards to fuel and roading tax. which is what we were discussing
Most of auckland is also built on the best dairy farming country in the world.

[nerrrd]

Auckland dosn't pay its own way its subsidised by the rest of the country in regards to fuel and roading tax. which is what we were discussing
Most of auckland is also built on the best dairy farming country in the world.

But...

The state highway network has almost 11,000 kilometres of road, with 5981.3km in the North Island and 4924.4km in the South Island. It provides a vital link to almost 83,000km of local roads – 17,298.3km urban and 65,600.7km rural. The length of road per person in New Zealand is one of the highest in the world.

...so there's many more kilometres of roads in rural areas than in urban areas, but many more people in urban areas than rural (particularly Auckland). That suggests it's the other way around doesn't it? Plus in cities you burn a lot more fuel to get anywhere (particularly sitting in traffic in your SUV, which most city dwellers prefer these days.)

And I don't think farming the one tenth of the common ground I have access to in my flat is going to help our GDP.

[husaberg]

But...



...so there's many more kilometres of roads in rural areas than in urban areas, but many more people in urban areas than rural (particularly Auckland). That suggests it's the other way around doesn't it? Plus in cities you burn a lot more fuel to get anywhere (particularly sitting in traffic in your SUV, which most city dwellers prefer these days.)

And I don't think farming the one tenth of the common ground I have access to in my flat is going to help our GDP.

No buts about it Auckilnd roads are the most expensive per KM to build and maintain.

One of the Government's new roads of national significance is set to be the most expensive ever built anywhere in the world.Infrastructure New Zealand has calculated Auckland's proposed East West Link will cost $327 million per kilometre.
"It's an enormous amount of money on a very short link of dubious value that does a great deal of destruction to the natural environment," Greater Auckland author Patrick Reynolds says.
It's an arterial road linking State Highway One at Sylvia Park to State Highway 20, estimated to cost $1.8 billion.

Infrastructure New Zealand came up with the comparison but says while expensive, it will be worth it.
"Very important," Infrastructure New Zealand chief executive Stephen Selwood says. "We have another million people coming to Auckland by 2050 we really need to be getting on with providing transport infrastructure needed to support the cities growth."
National backed the plan last month, adding it to its roads of national significance, and promised it would be built if it's re-elected.

the money from the rural roads where the road user charges are being generated are having the levy money from both the fuel level and the RUC are having money siphoned off to go to Auckland so they can enjoy cheap petrol prices and not have to pay for they own roads repairs maintence and new builds..

[oldrider]

Auckland dosn't pay its own way its subsidised by the rest of the country in regards to fuel and roading tax. which is what we were discussing
Most of auckland is also built on the best dairy farming country in the world.

Auckland is there because economically it is more gratifyingly popular than any other place in NZ - the rest of NZ needs it probably more than even Auckland does!

[nerrrd]

Yeah but like I said before, as individuals Auckanders will be paying far more in fuel taxes than anyone else.

Commercially it's a whole different ball game I'm sure, although I suspect a fair chunk of those road user charges are trucks driving to and from...Auckland? Come to think of it there are one or two diesel cars/Buses/Trucks etc moving around Auckland every day.

[husaberg]

Yeah but like I said before, as individuals Auckanders will be paying far more in fuel taxes than anyone else.

Commercially it's a whole different ball game I'm sure, although I suspect a fair chunk of those road user charges are trucks driving to and from...Auckland? Come to think of it there are one or two diesel cars/Buses/Trucks etc moving around Auckland every day.

You can say it a hundred times more and then a thousand times again as well, but it will still be utter crap.
​If Auckland is indeed paying its fair share already why is it that they need to take funding from the rest of the country then?