The 2017 Election Thread

**jasonu** · 21st January 2018, 15:38

Originally Posted by Graystone

And the day they bring in winston-tossing (preferably out the top windows of parliament) I'll be all in favour of electing the Man with the mostly manly of mustachioed biceps; until then, how about we let the woman who got elected on her merit for the position, have a fair go at performing her duty in it.

She wasn't elected. She bargained her way into the job.

**Graystone** · 21st January 2018, 15:44

Originally Posted by jasonu

She wasn't elected. She bargained her way into the job.

You say that like those are different things?

**jasonu** · 21st January 2018, 15:46

Originally Posted by husaberg

Not sure if you know it but elected officials don't get paid parental or maternity leave.
.

Apparently not the case.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11979183

**Crasherfromwayback** · 21st January 2018, 15:48

Originally Posted by jasonu

She wasn't elected. She bargained her way into the job.

So what? Not like National weren't trying to do the very same thing. They just failed is all. Like they've failed NZ, for the last 9 years.

**TheDemonLord** · 21st January 2018, 15:56

Originally Posted by Graystone

That sort of explanation is similarly antiquated to his explanation that women are impaired through maternity.

On a purely technical level - Women are impaired by Maternity.

I don't mean in a perjurative sense:

In the first trimester there is Morning Sickness
In the third trimester you've got the added weight and inconvenience of a baby bump, not to mention the fact that you might have to drop everything you are doing and rush to Hospital.
Straight after birth you've got some raging hormonal mood swings
Then for the first year - if you are breastfeeding - then you either have to be available 24/7 or you have get expressing at regular intervals.
You've also got the risk of postnatal depression.
There is also a fair deal of research that suggests that women (on average) prefer to be heavily involved in the first year, typically until the baby starts to get Mobile -
which incidentally is when Dads start to engage in physical/rough and tumble play.
Finally - I'm not sure if this is backed by research, but anecdotally - all the Mothers I know - if they are away from their child tend to worry about said child. Often getting distracted on tangents wondering if they are okay.

Now, Am I saying it's impossible for Jacinda to be able to give 100% to being PM? No. I'm not saying that.

What I am saying is that statistically, the numbers aren't in Jacindas favor and that there are Biological hurdles she will have to jump over that Men and Fathers don't have to.

**jasonu** · 21st January 2018, 15:57

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

So what? Not like National weren't trying to do the very same thing. They just failed is all. Like they've failed NZ, for the last 9 years.

That's alright. Soon you lot will have a PM that pretty much no one voted for.

**TheDemonLord** · 21st January 2018, 15:58

Originally Posted by YellowDog

Does anyone on here actually understand how maternity or paternity leave works?

Fyi - NZ doesn't have Paternity leave....

**Crasherfromwayback** · 21st January 2018, 16:01

Originally Posted by jasonu

That's alright. Soon you lot will have a PM that pretty much no one voted for.

I'm ok with that. Rather Winnie than that lying two faced ponytail pulling CUNT that is John Key!

**Graystone** · 21st January 2018, 16:03

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

On a purely technical level - Women are impaired by Maternity.

I don't mean in a perjurative sense:

In the first trimester there is Morning Sickness
In the third trimester you've got the added weight and inconvenience of a baby bump, not to mention the fact that you might have to drop everything you are doing and rush to Hospital.
Straight after birth you've got some raging hormonal mood swings
Then for the first year - if you are breastfeeding - then you either have to be available 24/7 or you have get expressing at regular intervals.
You've also got the risk of postnatal depression.
There is also a fair deal of research that suggests that women (on average) prefer to be heavily involved in the first year, typically until the baby starts to get Mobile -
which incidentally is when Dads start to engage in physical/rough and tumble play.
Finally - I'm not sure if this is backed by research, but anecdotally - all the Mothers I know - if they are away from their child tend to worry about said child. Often getting distracted on tangents wondering if they are okay.

Now, Am I saying it's impossible for Jacinda to be able to give 100% to being PM? No. I'm not saying that.

What I am saying is that statistically, the numbers aren't in Jacindas favor and that there are Biological hurdles she will have to jump over that Men and Fathers don't have to.

So, are we also supposed to be prejudiced against:
Sick cunts
fat cunts
moody cunts
cunts who have to regularly expel fluids
more moody cunts
loving cunts
caring cunts

Those are your biological hurdles that men don't have to jump over?

**husaberg** · 21st January 2018, 16:03

Originally Posted by jasonu

Apparently not the case.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11979183

Its a wording gaff, she gets her salary and plans to donate part of it while she is taking leave.
What it means is there is no actual legal obligation to keep her job open.
www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/01/jacinda-ardern-not-eligible-for-paid-parental-leave.html

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

Fyi - NZ doesn't have Paternity leave....

Some contracts do have provision for it.
As does the law
Partner’s leave

Fathers or partners are entitled to:

one week of unpaid leave if they’ve worked for you for six months for at least an average of 10 hours a week, or
two weeks of unpaid leave if they’ve worked for you for 12 months for at least an average of 10 hours a week.

https://www.business.govt.nz/hiring-...arental-leave/

**Crasherfromwayback** · 21st January 2018, 16:06

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

Now, Am I saying it's impossible for Jacinda to be able to give 100% to being PM? No. I'm not saying that.

What I am saying is that statistically, the numbers aren't in Jacindas favor and that there are Biological hurdles she will have to jump over that Men and Fathers don't have to.

How did Old Lizzy get on? And her Mum before her? Maybe they're just made of far better stuff than yourself, as I've mentioned before. I'm willing to bet you, 10 cases of Steinie, that everything will go as planned, if the baby is hatched. Shall we call that a bet?

**ellipsis** · 21st January 2018, 16:20

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

On a purely technical level - Women are impaired by Maternity.

I don't mean in a perjurative sense:

In the first trimester there is Morning Sickness
In the third trimester you've got the added weight and inconvenience of a baby bump, not to mention the fact that you might have to drop everything you are doing and rush to Hospital.
Straight after birth you've got some raging hormonal mood swings
Then for the first year - if you are breastfeeding - then you either have to be available 24/7 or you have get expressing at regular intervals.
You've also got the risk of postnatal depression.
There is also a fair deal of research that suggests that women (on average) prefer to be heavily involved in the first year, typically until the baby starts to get Mobile -
which incidentally is when Dads start to engage in physical/rough and tumble play.
Finally - I'm not sure if this is backed by research, but anecdotally - all the Mothers I know - if they are away from their child tend to worry about said child. Often getting distracted on tangents wondering if they are okay.

Now, Am I saying it's impossible for Jacinda to be able to give 100% to being PM? No. I'm not saying that.

What I am saying is that statistically, the numbers aren't in Jacindas favor and that there are Biological hurdles she will have to jump over that Men and Fathers don't have to.

...an even bigger wanker than before...

**jasonu** · 21st January 2018, 16:34

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

I'm ok with that. Rather Winnie than that lying two faced ponytail pulling CUNT that is John Key!

Are you saying JayKay would have won if he stayed in the running?

**TheDemonLord** · 21st January 2018, 17:06

Originally Posted by Graystone

So, are we also supposed to be prejudiced against:
Sick cunts
fat cunts
moody cunts
cunts who have to regularly expel fluids
more moody cunts
loving cunts
caring cunts

Those are your biological hurdles that men don't have to jump over?

Its funny you say that - cause yeah, we do.

Sick Cunts - sickness benefits and ACC for those who can't work due to illness and accidents

Fat Cunts - when was the last time you saw a morbidly obese air steward/stewardess?

Moody Cunts - psychological evaluations are job requirements for some fields and failure means termination.

Cunts who have to regularly expel fluids - if it's getting to the point that your work is suffering...

Loving Cunts/Caring Cunts - there are a number of fields where being too agreeable means you are unable to perform your job role correctly. And in the wider context of business - being disagreeable is a predictor for long term success.

**TheDemonLord** · 21st January 2018, 17:07

Originally Posted by husaberg

Its a wording gaff, she gets her salary and plans to donate part of it while she is taking leave.
What it means is there is no actual legal obligation to keep her job open.
www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/01/jacinda-ardern-not-eligible-for-paid-parental-leave.html

Some contracts do have provision for it.
As does the law
Partner’s leave

Fathers or partners are entitled to:

one week of unpaid leave if they’ve worked for you for six months for at least an average of 10 hours a week, or
two weeks of unpaid leave if they’ve worked for you for 12 months for at least an average of 10 hours a week.

https://www.business.govt.nz/hiring-...arental-leave/

I should have clarified: Paid Paternity leave.