The 2017 Election Thread

[pritch]

absolutely nobody voted for policies that change after the election.

The policies listed in a party manifesto are politicians' promises. And no, I certainly don't vote for those because they are mostly worthless.

Anyhoo we should all know soon enough who is going to be the government, then we can celebrate or drown our sorrows as appropriate. Or just listen to some music?

[Ocean1]

The policies listed in a party manifesto are politicians' promises. And no, I certainly don't vote for those because they are mostly worthless.

Anyhoo we should all know soon enough who is going to be the government, then we can celebrate or drown our sorrows as appropriate. Or just listen to some music?

I suppose voting on personalities or personal preconceptions is more satisfying.

If you're into reality TV.

[Ocean1]

STV is mine as well and, yes, people are generally less stupid than one imagines. I think pretty much anything other than FPP and MMP are better than either.

I'd settle for electronic voting though, irrespective of system.

I want real-time budget control.

Big knob attached to funding sources pie chart via interweb. Another big knob connected to the graph showing where that lot's going to be spent.

Maybe an automatic despot execution function for budget drift of more than 2%.

Then I won't give a fuck who's in office, they'll just be the administrators they always should have been.

[pritch]

I suppose voting on personalities or personal preconceptions is more satisfying.

If you're into reality TV.

Nah it's about paying attention during the three years between elections. 'Reality TV' is an oxymoron

[Oakie]

Starting to wonder if Winston won't buddy up to anyone in a coalition.
If he does buddy up, then he gets a bit of influence but will always be the smaller partner. If he decides not to partner anyone and sits on the cross benches then he will get to decide on every little piece of legilsation that goes through. National would have to suck up to him and give him what he wants or they'll get nothing done. He would run the country without having to be a bigger party's small partner.

Discuss ...

[Ocean1]

Nah it's about paying attention during the three years between elections. 'Reality TV' is an oxymoron

I promise you that other people appropriating my hard earned for three years gets my attention, and promises to spend more of it in the next three years definitely affects how I vote.

So why would you want the same sort of entertainment from an election? In that regard MMP delivers half the goods: it's the plain moronic bit.

[Grumph]

I suppose voting on personalities or personal preconceptions is more satisfying.

Well according to your scenario for the negotiations it may actually be a more accurate way of forecasting what you could get....

Electronic voting won't happen until there's at least national cellphone coverage - and that's unlikely in my lifetime anyway.

[oldrider]

Starting to wonder if Winston won't buddy up to anyone in a coalition.
If he does buddy up, then he gets a bit of influence but will always be the smaller partner. If he decides not to partner anyone and sits on the cross benches then he will get to decide on every little piece of legilsation that goes through. National would have to suck up to him and give him what he wants or they'll get nothing done. He would run the country without having to be a bigger party's small partner.

Discuss ...

Agree with you some what but they don't need to go into coalition with anyone! (other than supply and confidence)

They have been selected and elected to govern so just get on with it and the coalition will automatically sort it's self out bill by bill issue by issue!

Party politics is just dumb shit and should be less dominant in the political decision making process. The electorate needs to take back control!

[Ocean1]

Well according to your scenario for the negotiations it may actually be a more accurate way of forecasting what you could get....

Electronic voting won't happen until there's at least national cellphone coverage - and that's unlikely in my lifetime anyway.

According to my preferred scenario there wouldn't be any need to forecast anything. If a proposal isn't presented as policy before the election to be voted on how on earth can the back room boys "negotiate" it into existence and call it some sort majority preference?

We could give you and the other half dozen hillbillies a black marble I suppose, just for old times' sake. You could use it to vote yourself some internets.

[mashman]

"Can't subscribe to the majority voted for change..It could be read overwhelmingly different...63 percent didnt vote for Labour, take the Lipstick off the Pig and it is 77 % did not vote for labour, 94 % did not want to change to Green 93 % did not want to change for Winston. Overwhelming figures, in fact more voted for National in this election than there last landslide seat election." - Paul

[James Deuce]

"Can't subscribe to the majority voted for change..It could be read overwhelmingly different...63 percent didnt vote for Labour, take the Lipstick off the Pig and it is 77 % did not vote for labour, 94 % did not want to change to Green 93 % did not want to change for Winston. Overwhelming figures, in fact more voted for National in this election than there last landslide seat election." - Paul

Still just the biggest minority. No one voted for change. We voted for the Status Quo.

[Brian d marge]

"Can't subscribe to the majority voted for change..It could be read overwhelmingly different...63 percent didnt vote for Labour, take the Lipstick off the Pig and it is 77 % did not vote for labour, 94 % did not want to change to Green 93 % did not want to change for Winston. Overwhelming figures, in fact more voted for National in this election than there last landslide seat election." - Paul

oi stop quoting my facebook page

[Brian d marge]

My flag in the sand

Winston will go with any old bag lady who puts out , greens will wine about the fat fucks in Browns bay getting Harpooned , labour will rue the day they ever got a blow job with those Knashers ( holy fluck they is ACC just waiting to happen )

but your wise sage , right here on the hindernet says

FUCK ALL WILL HAPPEN

HANG the fkers then watch how fast they listen


IMHO

[mashman]

Still just the biggest minority. No one voted for change. We voted for the Status Quo.

All true. As such, I'd say no "moral right" to be government, just a mathematical "right".

[pritch]

I'd say no "moral right" to be government, just a mathematical "right".

Nice, but there is no moral vote only a numerical one. A National/NZ First/Act govt would have the majority of the votes. So too would a Labour/Greens/NZ First if that’s how it comes to pass.

No good getting upset, we had our say, now it’s up to the politicians.