The 2017 Election Thread

[husaberg]

Apologies for interrupting the invective narrative (not), but back to the facts of the situation; I believe (and am sure colourful corrections will swiftly follow if I misremember) that Labour campaigned vociferously on 26 weeks parental leave but Ardern only requires 6 weeks.

So - when it's everyone else we taxpayers need to suck it up & pay them for 6 months because Oh The Humanity... but the woperson in the most responsible job in the country needs only 6 weeks? Which is it...

26 weeks' parental leave is an important principle for all wopeople; or it isn't. Pick one, hmmm?

Not sure if you know it but elected officials don't get paid parental or maternity leave.
Also given the choice i would rather have someone not mention they might have a baby after they are elected than not mention they are infact a raging alcoholic.

[Brian d marge]

Not sure if you know it but elected officials don't get paid parental or maternity leave.
Also given the choice i would rather have someone not mention they might have a baby after they are elected than not mention they are infact a raging alcoholic.

It would bankrupt the country


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[Crasherfromwayback]

She's going to be very dissapointed when she discovers she's not actually pregnant & finds your boots hanging out of her arse.

Rather have my head up her arse, that up your own like yourself.

[RDJ]

Not sure if you know it but elected officials don't get paid parental or maternity leave.

Yeah, I am aware elected officials don't get maternity or paternity leave. My point is that if the officials are going to use our money to impose a very costly policy on everybody else, it should apply to them on the principle of consistency. Otherwise where is their rationale? (Rhetorical q.)

[Katman]

Dial it back a notch sunshine, he's clearly taking the piss; you on the other hand, judging the whole for the conditions of the few isn't a squeaky clean way of thinking...

He's autistic.

[Graystone]

He's autistic.

Clearly you could also learn not to judge the whole for the conditions of the few.

[mashman]

She's likely already used to being knackered. I hope she breastfeeds on TV.

[husaberg]

Yeah, I am aware elected officials don't get maternity or paternity leave. My point is that if the officials are going to use our money to impose a very costly policy on everybody else, it should apply to them on the principle of consistency. Otherwise where is their rationale? (Rhetorical q.)

From what i understand most if not all countries do not actually have maternity or any form of parental leave for elected officials.
It should be noted it appears however they also have no way of deducting their salary while they take leave such as jacinda intends to.
Many MPs and even prime ministers go on holidays and overses trips as holidays rather than official visits all of which are not deducted from their salary.

Thus it appears she will be paid regardless. So your point is rather moot. she could if she wished take 6 months leave or a year its up to her.

For instance MP Todd Barclay enjoyed a two-month sun-filled tour of Italy, Croatia and Greece all while receiving a $3000 a week taxpayer-funded pay packet. then after the election was paid for another 3 months.
As all MP's after each election also get paid for three months at full salary if they don't get elected or don't stand.
But what are your thoughts on elected officials not declaring their alcoholism compared to that they may get or may be pregnant?

[Crasherfromwayback]

This guy seems to know what it's all about!

https://www.facebook.com/NowThisPoli...KCoxBu-CKDUYHs

Not.

[RDJ]

(Answering husaberg)

Since my thoughts are never going to be enshrined in law I do feel free to advise :-)

In my opinion, physical and mental 'presentations' (mental even more than physical) should be monitored and recorded for all people in positions of power and responsibility. I see no reason why politicians should be any different than, for example, commercial airline pilots - they should be subject to mandatory documented health checks for similar reasons. That would include liver function tests as well as mental function tests when the history and examination findings so indicate.

On occasions where I work offshore I am required to be breath-tested and occasionally urine-tested both on a scheduled and a random basis, along with everybody else on the installation, for the safety of everybody we work with. Don't see any reason whatsoever why we don't apply those rules to politicians and those standing for office. When we go offshore we know D&A testing is a requirement of the position. No big deal.

For me the issue is not so much payment of MPs whether Barclay or Ardern - after all, criminals get ACC payouts, and people accused of very serious offences indeed continue to get paid until they are convicted - but the usual detached view MPs have of the rest of us, which is we've gotta fund their pet projects, but they feel under no obligation to subject themselves to the same restrictions as we deplorable voters.

Of course the PM 'can' take as long off, as she likes. But we hire her to run a country, & she was elected on the basis she was transparently fit for purpose, not to swan off on maternity leave. As she is a mother-to-be I wish her very well both for her and her baby's sake. That doesn't distract or detract from the significant risk to the task of being NZ's PM, of a possible lengthy perinatal absence from work...

[Crasherfromwayback]

[I]

Of course the PM 'can' take as long off, as she likes. But we hire her to run a country, & she was elected on the basis she was transparently fit for purpose, not to swan off on maternity leave. .

Listen you stupid cunt. She's said she'll take six weeks off, as any human has the fucking right to do. IF she takes more, rark her up here then. If not, just shut the fuck up. How many rounds of golf did John Key play? How many rounds has Jacinda had so far? Did we pay JK to play fucking golf? I bet he had the equivalent of six weeks worth of golf in his time licking arse.

[Graystone]

She's said she'll take six weeks off, as any human has the fucking right to do.

NZ employment law is we get 4 weeks per year, and this does not need to be made available until the end of the first year. So it's not something any human has the right to do.

[Crasherfromwayback]

NZ employment law is we get 4 weeks per year, and this does not need to be made available until the end of the first year. So it's not something any human has the right to do.

That's called annual leave. Someone needs to study up on maternity leave. You'd be a cunt to work for.

https://www.employment.govt.nz/leave...e/eligibility/

[T.W.R]

Do the math....the pregnancy is most likely the result of celebrating the election result.... she'd be a pretty wicked piece of kit if the night she rode bareback she realised she was up the duff that instant

[TheDemonLord]

How many rounds of golf did John Key play? How many rounds has Jacinda had so far? Did we pay JK to play fucking golf? I bet he had the equivalent of six weeks worth of golf in his time licking arse.

How many rounds of Golf last 18 years?