The 2017 Election Thread

[husaberg]

What I proposed was that those receiving a benefit should provide labour to that value. Fuck all to do with slavery in fact.

but you said you were okay with the private sector profiting out of this free forced labour. How exactly is that not indentured servitude.

[TheDemonLord]

Bro. No cunt reads this amount of fucking drivel!

And yet, here the usual suspects are.

I guess you can't get enough of my wonderful Guff...

[TheDemonLord]

Seriously dude, give up on the analogies.

(And learn the difference between affect and effect).

Cool - I demand you come to Auckland to service my Bike, as opposed to Servicing it myself.

Either I get a free service, or you're a hypocrite (and my Analogy is perfectly valid)...

[Crasherfromwayback]

And yet, here the usual suspects are.

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Shorten it up, and I'll consider reading it for a change! Then I can give you more shit.

[Katman]

Cool - I demand you come to Auckland to service my Bike, as opposed to Servicing it myself.

Either I get a free service, or you're a hypocrite (and my Analogy is perfectly valid)...

There's that autism again.

[Woodman]

Yep, total cunt of a situation, & I had to hold a job open for some thieving bitch for 12 months at her behest so she could say yeah-nah at the end of it just so she could have the pleasure of fucking me about for the maximum period.
You need to employ a few people so you can get a real grip on how a business really works.

I would love to see some figures on how many say they aren't coming back right at the end of their leave. It just fucks everyone around.

[mashman]

Chances of adults falling for bullshit on April Fools Day, 17%
Chances of adults falling for bullshit on, and leading up to election day, 77%

Yeah, kinda says it all really.

[TheDemonLord]

Shorten it up, and I'll consider reading it for a change! Then I can give you more shit.

Okay - how about this:

I'm right and you're wrong.

[TheDemonLord]

There's that autism again.

And there's that hypocrisy again...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Okay - how about this:

I'm right and you're wrong.

Incorrect. But a much better effort.

[sidecar bob]

Yeah, can’t come to work, got a fever, sore back, headache whatever next day arrive like nothing happened, you often know it’s school holidays or the kids playing up. Wife/hubby take alternate days off.

also difficult to get skilled staff so put up with whoever turns up. I don’t plan much ahead now days as who turns up is a lottery. One day I will win it. Amazing to watch angry staff.

dont worry sidecar bob occasionally payback occurs, usually from their own smart actions when you least expect it.

I'm talking about the dopey law that requires you to keep a new mothers job open to her for 12 months after giving birth if she so requests, just in case she feels like she might like to return on her whim.
And Katman, I turned away over a third of enquiries just so I could stay on top of quality demand for my services

[husaberg]

I'm talking about the dopey law that requires you to keep a new mothers job open to her for 12 months after giving birth if she so requests, just in case she feels like she might like to return on her whim.

Yeah but you can always hire someone on a fixed term contract as cover.
I also note National MP Amy Adams tried to introduce a bill that allowed both parents to take paid parental leave at the same time.

[Graystone]

Indeed - so why did you quote the 2017-2018 inflation rate again? I picked that graph cause it was in the middle of the time period.



Perhaps I wasn't clear in my wording - When your 'individual choice' places a fiat of force on everyone else, It's not an individual choice - you are making a choice for the group.

I'll make it real simple - Today, I want to the supermarket and bought a Tomato. That's an individual choice a made, that solely effected me.
If Tomorrow, I demand that you go to the Supermarket and buy me a Tomato, and threaten you with force if you don't comply. It may be an "individual choice" - but it's effecting others.



No, cause it's not Income - we've been through this:



Absolutely nothing. I repeat for clarity sake. Absolutely. Nothing.

Now, if I deposit that money in a bank, and it started earning Interest - I get Taxed on that Income, but if I take it home and stuff it in my Mattress - I'm not earning anything with it, ergo, it is not income, ergo, I don't pay income tax on it.




We already do - See, it's not an Income, therefore it's not taxed as Income Tax. There's no assumption here - It's clear in the use of different words to describe different things - so stop trying to conflate them, aint gonna wash



Risk is intrinsically linked with Reward - which IS inherently valuable. By transitive properties, Risk has an inherent Value.



You sure about that? Unless you are a recent immigrant or are around 18 years old, then you must surely remember Finance company collapses - South Canterbury Finance, Bridgecorp etc. Pretty much an entire generation had life savings wiped out, to the tune of $3 Billion.

I dare you to find someone who lost everything they'd spent their lives working for, and tell them it wasn't much of a Risk...



You also sure about that? We have a Lender of last resort (The reserve bank), which is a bit of a giveaway that we are using a Fractional Reserve system - Plus: "the monetary system in New Zealand is based on fiat and fractional-reserve banking."



Are you Really sure about that? It may not seem that way to you, but it is definitely the case - And I'll give you 2 reasons:

1: We've tried having a financial system where you give out Money, with no relation to either deposits or goods produced - Germany 1920 - it Didn't work - And our economy looks nothing like what happened in the Weimar republic.
2: If you do get to own your own home and you have over 20% equity, from time-to-time, you might re-finance your Mortgage - and then you will notice something very interesting - Banks that 3-4 years ago were desperate for your business (offering low interest rates, Cash in hand or Luxury goods to incentivize borrowing with them) are suddenly colder than a Prostitute who's not been paid. You may also notice the reverse - Banks that previously gave you the cold shoulder are now practically begging you to take out a Mortgage with them.

This is usually because those that are giving the cold shoulder have paid out term deposits or people who invested with them have liquidated their investment and they now need to balance the books, whereas those that are desperate have had an influx of investment and now have Cash to lend out to people, so they can charge interest on those loans, which in turn will pay the dividend on those influx of Investment.



Except it's not Income. Not in the Economists Definition. Not in the Legal definition. Not in the IRDs definition.

Only in yours. And the reason for that, is because your argument has more holes than my favourite faded Metallica T shirt without you redefining it.

Is the 2017/2018 inflation rate 2.4% ? I just quoted the rate for the time period in question... In fact the 17/18 rate is not that high either, perhaps just stop making shit up?

That's a fuckload of babble, skimmed what I could be arsed, salient counterpoints are:

Fixed Asset sales do not have absolutely nothing happen to the income generated. Just how shit was your accounting course? If depreciation has been correctly applied, and the book value is the same as the sale value then they cancel out, but it's not nothing. What sort of shit fucking accountant looks at a transaction on a statement and goes, nah, absolutely nothing happens to that; every thing gets coded mate, was your course done at a place with really colorful walls and small chairs?

We don't use Fractional Reserve Banking; there's oversight on banks, which is basically as long as they are making profit, they can keep creating money.

Risk is not linked with reward, nor is the rewards strongly linked with risk. For every 1 sob story about the GFC there's 10 people who just rode it out and lost nothing.

Keep the next one under 300 words and I'll read it, the drivelous nature of your writing makes it unworthy of higher word counts than that. And giving you 300 is a fucking charity too...

[Graystone]

Incorrect. But a much better effort.

It's quite an accurate summation of the depth (or lack thereof) of his points and premise though. Cunts talks so much shit because it bamboozels all his dumbarse friends into thinking he is clever I reckon.

[Ocean1]

but you said you were okay with the private sector profiting out of this free forced labour. How exactly is that not indentured servitude.

'Fraid not dude:

What I proposed was that those receiving a benefit should provide labour to that value. Fuck all to do with slavery in fact.

You do realise, don't you, that the the real world doesn't call the free exchange of labour for money "indentured servitude" We tend to describe it, for reasons having to do with the correct use of the language as "employment". A job.

Now I know there's a fucking big lump of the country that's dead agin' the whole concept of "work", but there's a sight more that are somewhat miffed at having to work extra hard to cover their arse.