The 2017 Election Thread

[husaberg]

Only inside your head.

Really on the one hand you are saying people want small builds including yourself but the local government and developers stops them, and the other side you say its basically shit someone are building them.

[Ocean1]

Really on the one hand you are saying people want small builds including yourself but the local government and developers stops them, and the other side you say its basically shit someone are building them.

Whereabouts outside of your head does a house smaller than 340 sqM equate to a 38 sqM tin shed?

And if they came even slightly close to something fit for purpose they'd still have the distinction of being stunningly bad value for the completely unrealistic asking price to overcome. And that's with the govt actually trying to keep the price down!. It simply don't work if the taxpayer's footing the bill, of course, flagrantly unrestrained spending is absolutely the norm for any money from that source.

Which, of course is the main reason individuals need to take responsibility for their own shit, one's own dollars always stretch far further than someone else's. Communists excepted, of course, those dudes are exempt from the consequences of failing to carrying their own weight, poor dears.

[husaberg]

Whereabouts outside of your head does a house smaller than 340 sqM equate to a 38 sqM tin shed?

And if they came even slightly close to something fit for purpose they'd still have the distinction of being stunningly bad value for the completely unrealistic asking price to overcome. And that's with the govt actually trying to keep the price down!. It simply don't work if the taxpayer's footing the bill, of course, flagrantly unrestrained spending is absolutely the norm for any money from that source.

Which, of course is the main reason individuals need to take responsibility for their own shit, one's own dollars always stretch far further than someone else's. Communists excepted, of course, those dudes are exempt from the consequences of failing to carrying their own weight, poor dears.

You said you couldn't find anything smaller than 260m2 so do keep up.
Taxpayers wont be footing the bill they are basically spec houses built on a larger scale. you do realise they are being sold at market rates.

Older people should be encouraged to continue doing whatever they fucking want with their own property/money.
Also: if they DID want to buy a small place, somewhere within scooter distance of town and built with modern materials then they'd find it fucking difficult finding anything. The best I could do was to downsize from 340sqM to 260sqM, there just haven't been any small places built in the last couple of decades, the council/developer rort simply doesn't allow for them.
Not that I'm old. Cunt.

[sidecar bob]

Taxpayers wont be footing the bill they are basically spec houses built on a larger scale. you do realise they are being sold at market rates.

So based on that, the government is helping nobody but themselves. Bravo!
Kind of like another tax, but not really.

[sidecar bob]

It is hypothetical because none of your costing are for a fitted out home in Hobsonville point.
Your cost doesn't include the land nor the cost of building in that sesspit of the south Pacific.

My build includes land, not cheap land either.
Is there a rule that you have to live in Auckland & pay the government ridiculous market rates for trashy shoe boxes? There's plenty of other places the govt could improve employment opportunities where housing would be cheaper to provide & more liveable.
If the govt would like me to quote on building affordable housing, as a retired garage proprietor with only hobby type building expierence I'd wager I could kick their arses at it.
The first thing I'd do is make sure the buildings met the minimum requirement laid down by the banks, but I'd only have to make a couple of phn calls or Google for a minute. I really wonder how Twyford manage to fuck it up so royally.

[husaberg]

So based on that, the government is helping nobody but themselves. Bravo!
Kind of like another tax, but not really.

How are they helping themselves any profit goes back to the taxpayer
its just venture capital
You should be commending the approach of doing something as it turns out they are doing something, Because pretending there is no Auckland housing crisis wasn't solving the problem.

My build includes land, not cheap land either.
Is there a rule that you have to live in Auckland & pay the government ridiculous market rates for trashy shoe boxes? There's plenty of other places the govt could improve employment opportunities where housing would be cheaper to provide & more liveable.
If the govt would like me to quote on building affordable housing, as a retired garage proprietor with only hobby type building expierence I'd wager I could kick their arses at it.
The first thing I'd do is make sure the buildings met the minimum requirement laid down by the banks, but I'd only have to make a couple of phn calls or Google for a minute. I really wonder how Twyford manage to fuck it up so royally.

Well if you think you can do it better go do it then.
PS it was the min reg for first home loans and they have rejigged the floorplan to suit.

[sidecar bob]

How are they helping themselves any profit goes back to the taxpayer
its just venture capital


Well if you think you can do it better go do it then.
PS it was the min reg for first home loans and they have rejigged the floorplan to suit.

Cool, so I can expect my cut in the mail anytime soon then?
Well they sure as fuck aren't creating affordable first homes, they're maxing their profit. What was the purpose of the excercise again?
I am doing it better, I'm sure the govt will catch on how it's done eventually without my input.
First rule, check the rules of the game before engaging.
Re jigged the floor plan? If they had been paying the bills out of their own hard earned tax payed savings they may have noticed that before they kicked off, bunch of dopey shits.
Any word on how much money was wasted on that debacle alone?

[Ocean1]

You said you couldn't find anything smaller than 260m2 so do keep up.
Taxpayers wont be footing the bill they are basically spec houses built on a larger scale. you do realise they are being sold at market rates.

Yes, I can see how someone that equates "somewhere smaller than 340 sqM within scooter distance of town and built with modern materials" with a single car sized tin shed might defend an outfit that would pay an absolute fucking truckload of someone else's money for exactly that, scattered around the Outer Hebrides somewhere, designed in such a way that nobody will lend money to buy them or necessarily want to actually live in them and then claim it's all because yet another group of people who can't afford them nonetheless somehow deserve them.

I can assure you that nobody else does.

[sidecar bob]

Anyway, whatever incompetent attempt they're having at entry level property development for profit, they had better crack on. 500 more refugees a year now, none of who will be interested to explore any further south than Papatoetoe.

[husaberg]

Yes, I can see how someone that equates "somewhere smaller than 340 sqM within scooter distance of town and built with modern materials" with a single car sized tin shed might defend an outfit that would pay an absolute fucking truckload of someone else's money for exactly that, scattered around the Outer Hebrides somewhere, designed in such a way that nobody will lend money to buy them or necessarily want to actually live in them and then claim it's all because yet another group of people who can't afford them nonetheless somehow deserve them.

I can assure you that nobody else does.

You said the best you could find that was smaller was 240M2 but you wanr-ted smaller.
Maybe you should actually look at the hobson point subdivision a shit load of people seem to want small ass builds there.
If there was no demand for small builds why are so many being built by so many different companies and developers.

Anyway, whatever incompetent attempt they're having at entry level property development for profit, they had better crack on. 500 more refugees a year now, none of who will be interested to explore any further south than Papatoetoe.

500 refuges vs 100,0000 of thousand of migrants per year that national encouraged to move here........

[sidecar bob]

500 refuges vs 100,0000 of thousand of migrants per year that national encouraged to move here........

Umm, migrants bring piles of cash & skills, in fact it's a pre requisite, were you unaware of that?
Refugees bring fuck all but dependency.

No, it's ok, news just to hand, the gubbamint is going to spend 30 million on 150 homes for them. (I wonder if that's market value)
Now that's value for money! As the tooth fairy so eloquently put it, like some college girl in the year 12 speech finals, "because it's the right thing to do" fucking brilliant Mother Teresa!

[husaberg]

Umm, migrants bring piles of cash & skills, in fact it's a pre requisite, were you unaware of that?
Refugees bring fuck all but dependency.

No, it's ok, news just to hand, the gubbamint is going to spend 30 million on 150 homes for them. (I wonder if that's market value)
Now that's value for money! As the tooth fairy so eloquently put it, like some college girl in the year 12 speech finals, "because it's the right thing to do" fucking brilliant Mother Teresa!

Its a bit simplistic to say they have no skills. Why was nZ letting in what you call skilled imigrants that Australia and the UK and the USA were not.
I am not anti migration just we were not so picky as we could have been, most are not filling in skill shortages or going to areas where they are skill shortages the sheer numbers are driving the housing shortage.
while i am sure a surplus of potential labour is good for some business its not necessarily whats best for the country

[sidecar bob]

Its a bit simplistic to say they have no skills

Dude, simplistic. Can we get back to the bit where your fave govt is in the entry level property development business for profit that they can't even get right, and you're all about it.

[husaberg]

Dude, simplistic. Can we get back to the bit where your fave govt is in the entry level property development business for profit that they can't even get right, and you're all about it.

What part was not got right. as i said the floorplans were altered to suit so no issue.
Note your old pony tailed pulling mate J-don Key was actually a second generation refugee. Brought up in one of those state houses too by a mum on the DPB, Sure he turned out to be a crook but dont they all.......
Nicki hagger is a second Gen refugee as well.
ps the current gov is a bit green for my liking but whatever

[Swoop]

The use of the word 'their' is not entirely appropriate. The late Friday news dump has long been a favourite ploy of politicians from all countries. Well, those countries that actually permit news.

Correct, but the "little secret" was that you only use this ploy occasionally so that the great unwashed don't cotton on. So far it is almost a weekly event.

Umm, migrants bring piles of cash & skills, in fact it's a pre requisite, were you unaware of that?
Refugees bring fuck all but dependency.

No, it's ok, news just to hand, the gubbamint is going to spend 30 million on 150 homes for them.

The tooth monster is getting a wide-on over Kate Shepard's house that is on the market... How many refugees can be housed in that place?