The 2017 Election Thread

[Ocean1]

Couldn't have put it better myself. Welcome to the light brother....

Must be difficult though, watching the nats self-destruct.

I don't actually hold politicians of any flavour to a standard of behaviour over and above that of yer average punter, and the latest prime TV reality show is pretty much par for the course for any large organisation.

All I really expect is that they do what they say the'll do when asking for your vote. If that don't actually produce the goods then that's down to the voters.

[husaberg]

Anything extorted by the conniving Tory pricks from the ill-gotten gains of a greedy commercial arsehole is a bribe.

Hard earned contributions from the founding union fathers, doughty warriors again' the capitalist scum and protectors of the Bolshevist faith is a donation.

All clear?

The National Party received almost $4.6 million in donations in the lead up to the last election – three times more money than it was allowed to spend in the campaign.
The party's donations outstripped Labour's donations, which came in at $1.6m, and Gareth Morgan's Opportunities Party, which received $2.3m – almost all of it from Morgan himself

Labours donations from all the unions are not even a penitence of what single donors gave the national party
The unions represent a signification proportion of NZ workers ie 100,000's workers

Labour Party NZ Dairy Workers Union $70,000
labour Party Maritime Union of New Zealand $40,500
Labour Party NZ Rail and Maritime Transport Union $30,000

on the other hand lets look at the Nats
here is two of the larger ones
National Party Inner Mongolia Rider Horse Industry $150,000
National Party Alpha Laboratories (nz) Limited $100,000

The inner mongola riders horse industry has 3 NZ employees.

The company, founded by fast food mogul Lang Lin, has sent 1200 New Zealand racehorses to China to race and breed, including New Zealand horse of the year and derby winner Mongolian Khan.

Or Alpha Labs owned by Gao Wei
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/791...isit-dying-mum

[husaberg]

I don't actually hold politicians of any flavour to a standard of behaviour over and above that of yer average punter, and the latest prime TV reality show is pretty much par for the course for any large organisation.

All I really expect is that they do what they say the'll do when asking for your vote. If that don't actually produce the goods then that's down to the voters.

What is happening to national is not average dynamics of a large organisation
The National party are imploding Jami Lee Ross was not some back bench MP he was their Chief Whip
You have a series of allegations of gross misconduct being played out in the media.
The National party leadership are now going after his family in a way that is unprecedented in NZ politics.

[jasonu]

What is happening to national is not average dynamics of a large organisation
The National party are imploding Jami Lee Ross was not some back bench MP he was their Chief Whip
You have a series of allegations of gross misconduct being played out in the media.
The National party leadership are now going after his family in a way that is unprecedented in NZ politics.

Rob Muldoon would be rolling in his grave. None of these cunts would have gotten away with any of this shit under his leadership.

[Grumph]

Rob Muldoon would be rolling in his grave. None of these cunts would have gotten away with any of this shit under his leadership.

In todays world with much more intense scrutiny of public figures, Muldoon would inevitably have shot himself in the foot at some point - probably while drunk.
The level of scrutiny from the media was much less - and journalists simply didn't report a lot of what went on.
It's a different world now. Crusher Collins would like to be another Muldoon - but NZ won't stand for that type again.

[Katman]

I recall a story that Norm Kirk had his Cabinet Ministers sign some form of resignation letter right from the get go - to be pulled out and used if needed.

I was only 10 when he died so I'm not entirely sure of the veracity of the story.

[pritch]

$100k wouldn't buy you shit let alone an MP.

Try and keep up. It has been on the news that'll get you a mention in the New Years Honours and a chance to nominate a mate to be an MP.

[Ocean1]

Labours donations from all the unions are not even a penitence of what single donors gave the national party
The unions represent a signification proportion of NZ workers ie 100,000's workers



on the other hand lets look at the Nats
here is two of the larger ones
National Party Inner Mongolia Rider Horse Industry $150,000
National Party Alpha Laboratories (nz) Limited $100,000

The inner mongola riders horse industry has 3 NZ employees.

Or Alpha Labs owned by Gao Wei
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/791...isit-dying-mum

The unions own labour outright, why would they bother paying them for anything, it's not as if paying for anything is any part of their ideology.

As for the rest, yeah maybe companies shouldn't be able to influence policy like that. Maybe they should be able to do that by voting.

[Ocean1]

What is happening to national is not average dynamics of a large organisation
The National party are imploding Jami Lee Ross was not some back bench MP he was their Chief Whip
You have a series of allegations of gross misconduct being played out in the media.
The National party leadership are now going after his family in a way that is unprecedented in NZ politics.

Unprecedented? Oh I don't think it comes anywhere near close to imploding 4 leaders deep inside a single year yet, does it?

[husaberg]

Unprecedented? Oh I don't think it comes anywhere near close to imploding 4 leaders deep inside a single year yet, does it?

Yes unprecedented for a Government to break news of an affair of one of their MP's to ridicule their mental health and to threaten other families.
SImon Bridges has been caught out having a donation presented at less than it worth and presented in return for favours.
Who ever has had 4 leaders in a year Labour hasn't. But it looks like Nation will have at least 3 in 12 months
Where as Nationals former chief whip is on a rampage with many more leaks to follow, if you think Simon Bridges leadership can survive this you need your head read.
Whats even more funny is Simon's brought it all on himself.

The unions own labour outright, why would they bother paying them for anything, it's not as if paying for anything is any part of their ideology.

As for the rest, yeah maybe companies shouldn't be able to influence policy like that. Maybe they should be able to do that by voting.

Par of the course for yo,u big on rhetoric zero suppported by facts.
National sells off list MP to the highest bidder.
Plus keeps on F-ing useless MP's.
Simon will be replaced by Crusher who like simon has her on past with Chinese favours
https://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/t...ida-2014050512

Just like Nats other Simon

Mr Williamson, who resigned as a minister last week over contacting police on behalf of a Chinese businessman facing domestic assault allegations.

[pritch]

Offered without comment.

[husaberg]

In todays world with much more intense scrutiny of public figures, Muldoon would inevitably have shot himself in the foot at some point - probably while drunk.
The level of scrutiny from the media was much less - and journalists simply didn't report a lot of what went on.
It's a different world now. Crusher Collins would like to be another Muldoon - but NZ won't stand for that type again.

The rule back then was the journalist could drink and soclise with the MPs but anything said off the record meant just that. that trust is long long gone now.
Also anything to do with personal lives at all was totally off limits.
I think that changed arround the time they started making noise about Lange having an affair.

[jasonu]

$100k wouldn't buy you shit let alone an MP.

Where in the transcript did it say that?

It might buy you a shit mp...

[husaberg]

It might buy you a shit mp...

Two Chinese ones as long as Nats are polling okay and it doesn't upset the Indians.

Ross: Hey you know at Paul Goldsmith's function you saw those two Chinese guys, Zhang Yikun and Colin? You had dinner at their home?
Bridges: Yes.
Ross: They talked to you about a $100,000 donation…
Bridges: Yep.
Ross: That is now in.
Bridges: Fantastic.
Ross: What would you like done with it? It's currently sitting in a Botany electorate account.
Bridges: Yeah that's good, I'd need to… I'd say, by the way, on that, just before we get to that. I promised them that we would have dinner at my place, that you should come. I mean, we might as well make a bit of fun of it. The only thing that would be good is if they brought the wine because they've got better wine…​ When I move into my new house so that's probably…we've got to sell ours. It could be earlier but it's probably around September so we should make good on that because otherwise I've lied to them, because I've said it a couple of times now. We should definitely do that.
Look, I just think we want it for... the advertisements and the like... we want it for the things that we're going to need to do over the next year or so, sort of outside of the- not outside of the party but...
………………………….
Ross: Yeah they're good people. Now there's no catch or anything to it. You may recall at the dinner they did discuss candidacy, and another Chinese candidate.
Bridges: Two MPs, yeah.
Ross: Colin Zhang? The younger one, he's put his name in for Candidates' College and so I assume he'll get through and we'll make some decisions as a Party further down the track as to what we want to do with candidates.
Bridges: I mean, it's like all these things, it's bloody hard. You've only got so much space. Depends where we're polling, you know? All that sort of thing… two Chinese would be nice, but would it be one Chinese or one Filipino? What do we do?
The conversation was around how it would be to have the two Chinese people that Bridges dined with - Yikun Zhang and Colin Zheng - on the National Party list. Ross says the donation came from Yikun Zhang, but there was no suggestion that the Chinese businessman had done anything wrong.
Colin Zheng is the manager of KCC Construction, a company owned by Zhang Yikun.
Bridges said having two Chinese MPs would be "nice", but putting them on the list and keeping everyone happy would be "bloody hard".
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12144135

[Ocean1]

Yes unprecedented for a Government to break news of an affair of one of their MP's to ridicule their mental health and to threaten other families.
SImon Bridges has been caught out having a donation presented at less than it worth and presented in return for favours.
Who ever has had 4 leaders in a year Labour hasn't. But it looks like Nation will have at least 3 in 12 months
Where as Nationals former chief whip is on a rampage with many more leaks to follow, if you think Simon Bridges leadership can survive this you need your head read.
Whats even more funny is Simon's brought it all on himself.



Par of the course for yo,u big on rhetoric zero suppported by facts.
National sells off list MP to the highest bidder.
Plus keeps on F-ing useless MP's.
Simon will be replaced by Crusher who like simon has here on past with Chinese favours

But it's OK for labour's union owners to demand favours, eh?

OK, was three leaders then was it? In maybe 18 months? Can't be fucked looking to be honest, it just amuses me that it's all so desperately important for you that you spend so much time cobbling up "facts" and rotating the fuck out of them.