The 2017 Election Thread

[husaberg]

Yeah. Um, introducing a few straw men into the usual "But National" rhetoric isn't addressing the topic of Little's embarrassing behavior either.

Try again.

Or not.

You are the one with straw men hollow in fact you had the tin man as well as the lion without any courage.
Go on then list exactly what is it he said you have issues with that were not Part of Nationals election campaign that you so supported then this should be fun.

[jasonu]

Thats what you were blabbing about not me. I was asking about Bridges.
I can see why you dont want to discuss Bridges a bit of a sore point how weak he apparently is, Dagger collins should sort that out soon for you though.

Simon Bridges is a total shmuck. If National don’t ditch him they will loose the next election. Much the same situation that the democrats put themselves in by backing Hillary

[husaberg]

Simon Bridges is a total shmuck. If National don’t ditch him they will loose the next election.

We agree on that. i am sure hes might be a decent dude down deep, but he comes across a arrogant smarmy little gitt that daddy promoted due to his last name, well out of his depth.
I see Cameron Slatter was that amazed Bridges was still leader he had a stroke.
Hes came out blaming the media for his stroke. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/110...d-after-stroke
Rather than his diet health, weight, personal history.

Considering the whale bloogers seefood diet i fail to see how he might not think it might have been other reasons that contributed.
While he doesn't even roll with the punches. I wish him well and a recovery and better diet plus some exercise.

[TheDemonLord]

Things like, it doesn't matter how much money you have or whether you're an aspiring All Black, if you're guilty of the crime you will be penalised just like anyone else would.

(Oh, and it would be good to not have cops lying under oath too).

The first presupposes that there is not a bell curve of competency in Lawyers and that those at the top end can charge accordingly for their services. Having access to the best lawyer is not something you can control for - However the legal system does make some allowances - in the form of Pro-Bono work.

Aspiring All Black - I agree with the sentiment - depending on the crime, a degree of leniency can be warranted if there is a reasonable expectation of exponential good in the foreseeable future. Now, this isn't always perfect - the Girl who drank drive and killed the cyclist recently springs to mind where she was clearly not sorry for her actions.

But I find your statement interesting - in the principals above, you ask to stick rigidly to the letter of the law, with no reference to personal circumstances - yet the catalyst to the original discussion was the letter of the law being applied rigidly, with no reference to personal circumstances.

When I asked about Principals - I hope this has highlighted (at the very least) why the system is both imperfect and why it's extremely difficult to make it better.

As for Cops lying under Oath - it would also be nice if ANY witness didn't lie under Oath, but alas people are Human and so they can and do lie. Show me a method of dedicating with 100% accuracy if they are lying and I'll be the first to champion it.

[jasonu]

We agree on that. i am sure hes might be a decent dude down deep, but he comes across a arrogant smarmy little gitt that daddy promoted due to his last name, well out of his depth.
I see Cameron Slatter was that amazed Bridges was still leader he had a stroke.
Hes came out blaming the media for his stroke. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/110...d-after-stroke

Considering the whale bloogers seefood diet i fail to see how he might not think it might have been other reasons that contributed.
He doesn't even roll with the punches. I wish him well and a recovery and better diet plus some exercise.

Yeah I saw that. As far as I am concerned Slater is a fat fucking slob who got what anyone with any clue about diet and exercise could easily have predicted.

[Ocean1]

You are the one with straw men hollow in fact you had the tin man as well as the lion without any courage.
Go on then list exactly what is it he said you have issues with that were not Part of Nationals election campaign that you so supported then this should be fun.

Oh sticks and stones now.

Stick to the relevant facts, dude, all of the hand-wringing embarrassment that is Andrew Little's speech about colonisation and the NZ justice system is in the article. Go read it.

And if you don't find that embarrassingly cringe-worthy maybe you could list exactly which bits you think most Kiwis might find particularly offensive.

[husaberg]

Oh sticks and stones now.

Stick relevant facts, dude, all of the hand-wringing embarrassment that is Andrew Little's speech about colonisation and the NZ justice system is in the article. Go read it.

And if you don't find that embarrassingly cringe-worthy maybe you could list exactly which bits you think most Kiwis might find particularly offensive.

Oh so now thats all that your were concerned about rather than the whole speech.
Now i have as i have already pointed out most of his speach including the justice system was also the National party platform.
As was reducing the disproportional number of Maori in prisons.
National also said the current justice sytem was not working and the wanted to make improvements
The fact NZ has one of the highest imprisonment rates in the world back that up. 162 out of 223 with most below us tin pot nations, islands and us colonies and human rights abusers
The performance of Maori in schools and education was also a National party platform for the 2017 election
So I are going to need you to list out exactly what was in the speech that you dont like.
So i can compare them to Nationals policy and statements for you. As you don't seem to remember it that well now you are getting so old and forgetful.

[Banditbandit]

I see Cameron Slatter was that amazed Bridges was still leader he had a stroke.
Hes came out blaming the media for his stroke.

People do strange things after a stroke - their brain is fucked up ..

[husaberg]

People do strange things after a stroke - their brain is fucked up ..

Should we go back to 1994 and test Katman

[Voltaire]

Kiwbuild Score in Auckland so far:

- 28,

Yes folks there are now 28 State Houses less than a year ago.

Phil builds them and Phil bowls them.




https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12195720

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/loc...q_hhWEi6q0kXTQ

[oldrider]

Kiwbuild Score in Auckland so far:

- 28,

Yes folks there are now 28 State Houses less than a year ago.

Phil builds them and Phil bowls them.




https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12195720

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/loc...q_hhWEi6q0kXTQ

- 8 - 9 - 10 - OUT - .Well normally!

[mashman]

Kiwbuild Score in Auckland so far:

- 28,

Yes folks there are now 28 State Houses less than a year ago.

Phil builds them and Phil bowls them.




https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12195720

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/loc...q_hhWEi6q0kXTQ

S'ok, National will promise to sort it.

[husaberg]

Kiwbuild Score in Auckland so far:

- 28,

Yes folks there are now 28 State Houses less than a year ago.

Phil builds them and Phil bowls them.




https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12195720

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/loc...q_hhWEi6q0kXTQ

the last goverment ran down the total by 5000 then they tried to sell off another 2500 in CHCH plus more totalling 4000 all up. in one year.
It takes time to build the new homes esp if you arer going to redevelop other sites to more condensed city living like the Mangere development. which alone will provide 10000 homes
2700 old state houses replaced by 10000 new houses of which 3500 will be kiwibuild.
So while it easy to scoff from the cheap seats quite simply if we had a national goverment they wouls be building zero new homes and would have sold off at least 4000 by now.
But your interest in the housing situation is funny considering the whole time national was in power they denied there was a housing crisis.

[jasonu]

the last goverment ran down the total by 5000 then they tried to sell off another 2500 in CHCH plus more totalling 4000 all up. in one year.
It takes time to build the new homes esp if you arer going to redevelop other sites to more condensed city living like the Mangere development. which alone will provide 10000 homes
2700 old state houses replaced by 10000 new houses of which 3500 will be kiwibuild.
So while it easy to scoff from the cheap seats quite simply if we had a national goverment they wouls be building zero new homes and would have sold off at least 4000 by now.
But your interest in the housing situation is funny considering the whole time national was in power they denied there was a housing crisis.

Yes mate you are correct. It does take time to build houses. A fact your lot should have considered before promising to build 1000 new houses per year...

[Voltaire]

I scoff at Goff ( only coz it rhymes)

They have knocked down a few State Houses in my area, putting up 3 level tilt slab apartments. Good use of space, possibly not in keeping with the low rise of the area but such is life.
Be interested to see how well the tennants keep them.