The 2017 Election Thread

[TheDemonLord]

FPP.


Fuck all the new age shit.

Pussy.

Fight to the death between the Leaders.

[mashman]

The very worst option.
It is just like a see-saw between two big options.

Essentially a dictatorship that gets voted out every three years because the cunts in power have no clue what they are up to and can't smell the stench of their own shit.

Same outcome as MMP/STV then. It's called politics after all.

[R650R]

Not so much a dictatoirship... I'd say modern politics is more like a three year infomercial that you can never switch off.

Continually they tell you how good it is and wait there's more.... but the cheap shit your promised never arrives.....
And when it does arrive its outdated ideas copied from somewhere else....

Thnak god labour didn't win.... lets do this... Yeah NAH darling the nation said....

[gsxr]

The end result of the election night vote count was the majority voted against National although they got the most votes as a party.
Does that mean any party tht goes into a coalition this time with national spell a death knell for them next election as occurred with Act and Maori party this election

[Grumph]

The end result of the election night vote count was the majority voted against National although they got the most votes as a party.
Does that mean any party tht goes into a coalition this time with national spell a death knell for them next election as occurred with Act and Maori party this election

Quite possibly....
But I'd also point out that as yet, no-one has won the election......If you define winning as being sworn in as the Government.
Celebrations - on either side - are a tad premature.

[Ocean1]

The end result of the election night vote count was the majority voted against National although they got the most votes as a party.
Does that mean any party tht goes into a coalition this time with national spell a death knell for them next election as occurred with Act and Maori party this election

But nowhere near as many as voted against labour.

All a waste of time, turns out that one vote is more important than all of ours.

[Swoop]

Same outcome as MMP/STV then.

No, the outcome would be different since the smaller parties would be whittled away and a person's vote moved onto their next choice.
The overall outcome would still retain some representation of the public desire but with fewer voters dissatisfied.

Well, apart from the leftists. They whine and bitch about anything.

[nerrrd]

But nowhere near as many as voted against labour.

All a waste of time, turns out that one vote is more important than all of ours.

Not voting for someone isn't the same as voting against them. All it says is you think the person you voted for is the best option. Isn't that the underlying premise behind STV?

I maintain that the most stable coalition option (and the one with the most votes by a country mile) is National/Labour.

But they won't talk to each other because they're mired in the old FPP / Government vs Opposition / left vs right mind set which should have been dumped with FPP, but apparently never will be (thanks to politicians and media who apparently don't have the motivation or the imagination to look beyond it).

[TheDemonLord]

I maintain that the most stable coalition option (and the one with the most votes by a country mile) is National/Labour.

But they won't talk to each other because they're mired in the old FPP / Government vs Opposition / left vs right mind set which should have been dumped with FPP, but apparently never will be (thanks to politicians and media who apparently don't have the motivation or the imagination to look beyond it).

I think you are underestimating just how fundamentally important a powerful opposition party is to a functioning social Democracy.

[jasonu]

Quite possibly....
But I'd also point out that as yet, no-one has won the election......If you define winning as being sworn in as the Government.
Celebrations - on either side - are a tad premature.

What a shit system.

[jasonu]

Not voting for someone isn't the same as voting against them.

My vote for Trump was actually my vote against Hillary Clinton.

[F5 Dave]

How's that working out?

True democracy would have us voting on issues not for figurehead puppets that have to tread a line of strategic maneuvers to stay in power and keep the funding.

Of course the great unwashed can't be trusted to get that right all the time. We need some strong charismatic leader to do that for us. I was of course joking with my Winston line.

Vote Axekill.

damn predictive text.

[Grumph]

What a shit system.

You would appear to be from the "now" generation - something potentially this serious is worth waiting for.
Bet you wanted to open all your presents as soon as you saw them...

My vote for Trump was actually my vote against Hillary Clinton.

Well you got instant results - shit flying in the first 100 days plus more personal spending as prez than anyone previously.
Take a knee and do what most of your neighbours are doing - pray he doesn't light the fuse.....

[Brian d marge]

How's that working out?

True democracy would have us voting on issues not for figurehead puppets that have to tread a line of strategic maneuvers to stay in power and keep the funding.

Of course the great unwashed can't be trusted to get that right all the time. We need some strong charismatic leader to do that for us. I was of course joking with my Winston line.

Vote Axekill.

damn predictive text.

Yes , and we want the Sudetenland land back

Me , I would settle for an informed populace.. not too much to ask ..

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[Ocean1]

Not voting for someone isn't the same as voting against them. All it says is you think the person you voted for is the best option. Isn't that the underlying premise behind STV?

I maintain that the most stable coalition option (and the one with the most votes by a country mile) is National/Labour.

But they won't talk to each other because they're mired in the old FPP / Government vs Opposition / left vs right mind set which should have been dumped with FPP, but apparently never will be (thanks to politicians and media who apparently don't have the motivation or the imagination to look beyond it).

Yes. Exactly. I was pointing out that the claim that because most people voted against national that then somehow becomes a mandate for the collection of left leaning parties to assume government is farcical.

I'd personally quite like a nat/green alliance. Minus the rampant Marxist bullshit that's pretty much destroyed any chance the greens had in environmental advocacy to date.


Edit.... http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/loca...-proud-to-lead