The 2017 Election Thread

[Ocean1]

You might want to read the parties constitution before spouting a heap of twaddle.
Labour is not owned by any union any more than the free masons own National or the Chinese own National or the Business round Table own National.
I have explained how the affiliates votes work you chose to not listen.
You do realise you have two votes rather than one one is for a party the other is for a candidate. It seems you will vote the party line no mater who the candidate is which is great for those that buy and sell MP'S positions.
Like National were.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_Labour_Party

"The party was created by, and has always been influenced by, the trade unions"

"Caucus and parliamentary leadership"

"The elected members representing the Labour Party in the House of Representatives meet as the Parliamentary Labour Party, generally known as the Caucus. The current parliamentary leader is Jacinda Ardern. A leadership election is triggered upon the vacancy of the position of leader or a motion of no confidence. Candidates are nominated from within the Caucus. Under Labour Party rules, party members have 40% of the votes, MPs have another 40% of the votes, and affiliated unions have 20% of the votes.[81] Some observers have criticised the influence of the unions in leadership elections.[87]"

Like I said, you're full of shit.

See if you can redeem your credibility by showing me where freemasons, the BRT or Chinese designed, constructed, or are guaranteed exclusive voting rights withing the national caucus. Or anywhere else for that matter.

[husaberg]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_Labour_Party

"The party was created by, and has always been influenced by, the trade unions"

"Caucus and parliamentary leadership"

"The elected members representing the Labour Party in the House of Representatives meet as the Parliamentary Labour Party, generally known as the Caucus. The current parliamentary leader is Jacinda Ardern. A leadership election is triggered upon the vacancy of the position of leader or a motion of no confidence. Candidates are nominated from within the Caucus. Under Labour Party rules, party members have 40% of the votes, MPs have another 40% of the votes, and affiliated unions have 20% of the votes.[81] Some observers have criticised the influence of the unions in leadership elections.[87]"

Like I said, you're full of shit.

See if you can redeem your credibility by showing me where freemasons, the BRT or Chinese designed, constructed, or are guaranteed exclusive voting rights withing the national caucus. Or anywhere else for that matter.

As i have said the affiliated unions represent the same percentage of the Party members. SO it is you that is atempting to misrepresent what it is
Where does it say OWNED by the UNION
Lets see if you can redeem you credibility by showing proof of that

[Voltaire]

I remember unions, firstly in NZ with the Electrical Workers Union and then in Sydney.
The NZ one was useless, the Sydney one actually made sure you got what you were promised.
Was not so keen on being forced to join and the intimidation tactics to get your subs paid.
Since then I have usually voted ...with my feet.

I could never grasp the concept of me working harder/smarter that someone else and getting paid the same comrade.

I went to the Soviet Union in 1989, it was like visiting the 1950's, same for East Germany and the rest of the Soviet Bloc.

Spent a couple of years in the UK at the end of the Thatcher era and as the phrase said I made "loads of money" for a while.

I do find the idea of Labour and National a bit dated these days, 50 MP's sitting around for 3 years saying " no....they should resign"

seems a bit strange, be like having someone at work watching you for 3 years then you swap over.

I would like there to be a Govt who thought a bit more about spending other peoples money on useful things rather than Stadiums.

Great comment on the Teev, " Public Partnerships are great, when they work out the Private sector takes the money, when it doesn't the

Public pays"

[Grumph]

Simple. They fucked Winston up the bum and he got a bit of utu on them.

Well done. Now why do you think the current National lot are still deliberately getting offside with NZ First ?

I'll help - is it because (a) They're too thick to realise they will never get in again on a simple majority.
or (b) They're too arrogant to want to work with another party with significant numbers in the house.

[Grumph]

I would like there to be a Govt who thought a bit more about spending other peoples money on useful things rather than Stadiums.

Next time you're down here talk to ChCh residents as to the post quake building priorities...National decided to rebuild the central city - where no-one wants to live - at the expense of fixing housing.
Working out of an old League ground with substandard facilities doesn't seem to have hurt the ChCh based teams....

[jasonu]

Well done. Now why do you think the current National lot are still deliberately getting offside with NZ First ?

I'll help - is it because (a) They're too thick to realise they will never get in again on a simple majority.
or (b) They're too arrogant to want to work with another party with significant numbers in the house.

That's a trick question.
The answer is A and B.

As I said before, Rob Muldoon would be rolling in his grave if he could see what the National Party has become.

[mada]

^^^^

I reckon most the founders of National, Labour would be rolling in their graves if they could see how much both parties suck up to the Chinese Commies (or Totalitarian Capitalists)...

The only party so far to actually have any balls has been the Greens (though they've been meek on other great allies like Iran).

I get all the we need to trade, but does it mean if we were back in the 30s we'd be all good with NSDAP members coming down here setting up shop, putting their tentacles into the local German population and our politicians back pockets (think Argentina post-war).

Do we truly value the ability to point fun and criticise each others views? Make the most of it, because China certainly doesnt and will help us all by setting up "education camps" (read up on the Uighurs).

[Swoop]

Yep same here. Been rattling on about this for the past 10 years... I especially find it ironic when blue men go on about "socialists" going to ruin the country but are all good with taking cash and backhanders from true totalitarian commie pricks.

Labour are guilty of the same influences & ALL politicians need to be aware of the creeping infiltration.
Look at what has happened to other countries around the world and particularly in the Pacific.

[husaberg]

They also received more votes than Labour...

I had a look and the figures are thus

National Party	1,152,075
Labour Party	956,184
New Zealand First Party	186,706
Green Party	162,443
ACT New Zealand	13,075

So Labour with NZF about the same votes s National and ACT
Labour With Greens about the same votes as National and ACT
Labour with NZF and Greens =Many more votes than National And ACT.

[Grumph]

Labour are guilty of the same influences & ALL politicians need to be aware of the creeping infiltration.
Look at what has happened to other countries around the world and particularly in the Pacific.

Influences, yes, selling a seat, no. Due to the highly involved internal structures and policies the labour party has to follow - as recently chronicled by Mr Ocean - it's for all purposes impossible to buy a Labour seat. Yes, they're actively seeking diversity, but candidates are heavily scrutinised.
And, yes, the occasional union official goes up the pecking order, no question. But they've served for years before that happens - and are well known.

[mada]

Labour are guilty of the same influences & ALL politicians need to be aware of the creeping infiltration.
Look at what has happened to other countries around the world and particularly in the Pacific.

Yes indeed. It started under Clark.

According to the researchers we are the testing ground for the CCP in terms of manipulating Western Democracies / Liberal Democracy etc.

The only party so far that has not had any connection = Greens.

[mada]

Influences, yes, selling a seat, no. Due to the highly involved internal structures and policies the labour party has to follow - as recently chronicled by Mr Ocean - it's for all purposes impossible to buy a Labour seat. Yes, they're actively seeking diversity, but candidates are heavily scrutinised.
And, yes, the occasional union official goes up the pecking order, no question. But they've served for years before that happens - and are well known.

Labour have been just as keen to get their hands on Chinese cash.

Raymond Huo made it through and appears quite pro CCP.

Remember Labour's experience with Steven Ching also.

[husaberg]

Looks through all the Labour MPs
I could only find 6 that worked work a Union (one unpaid)
I was surprised by the number that were Lawyer and minister far more than ever worked for a Union.

[pete376403]

Yes indeed. It started under Clark.

According to the researchers we are the testing ground for the CCP in terms of manipulating Western Democracies / Liberal Democracy etc.

The only party so far that has not had any connection = Greens.

Can you provide a reference for these "researchers"? not Mike Hoskings is it?

[mada]

Can you provide a reference for these "researchers"? not Mike Hoskings is it?

Professor Anne-Marie Brady from University of Canterbury.