The 2017 Election Thread

[Banditbandit]

The unions own labour outright, why would they bother paying them for anything, it's not as if paying for anything is any part of their ideology.

As for the rest, yeah maybe companies shouldn't be able to influence policy like that. Maybe they should be able to do that by voting.

Only six unions are still affiliated with Labour ..

E tū – created through the merger of the Engineering, Printing and Manufacturing Union and the Service & Food Workers Union in 2015.
Maritime Union of New Zealand (MUNZ)
New Zealand Dairy Workers Union (DWU)
New Zealand Meat & Related Trades Workers Union (MWU)
Rail and Maritime Transport Union (RMTU)
Central Amalgamated Workers' Union (CAWU)


The rest all jumped years ago ..

[Banditbandit]

Jami-Lee is a piece of work alright ..

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/10/1...omen-speak-out


Typical Born-to-Rule mentality ..

[jasonu]

Jami-Lee is a piece of work alright ..

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/10/1...omen-speak-out


Typical Born-to-Rule mentality ..

Just because these 4 have somehow chosen right now to spill the beans doesn't necessarily make it true.
It all stinks to me.

[husaberg]

But it's OK for labour's union owners to demand favours, eh?

Unions represent 100,000 of thousands of separate people not two guys who want preferential treatment to become list MP's and influence policies.
All of the Unions gave bugger all money to the Labour party less than one individual National donor gave national in fact. They were not even Labours biggest donor FFS.

OK, was three leaders then was it? In maybe 18 months? Can't be fucked looking to be honest, it just amuses me that it's all so desperately important for you that you spend so much time cobbling up "facts" and rotating the fuck out of them.

So it clearly wasn't four in twelve months as you initially stated then was it, But National is on the cards for 3 in 12 months.


Even Whale oil is saying its time for Bridges to bail out of his sinking ship

The Leadership of the Parliamentary wing of the party is also hugely at fault. That they also allowed Mr. Ross the ability to continue to behave in the manner he did is mystifying – to put it politely. Both Bridges and Bennett must go. If the board want to even slightly redeem themselves they should ensure this happens. Bridges, by his actions, has now ensured this fiasco will go on for weeks, probably months. There has been too much evidence in recent times of the party acting in its own interests and not in the interests of the membership and others who support them. This is totally unacceptable.

Where to now? The only way out of this utter shambles is for National to elect a strong experienced person as their leader. If the party is listening to its grassroots they will ensure that person is Judith Collins. Forget all the talk about her being polarising and the nonsense of past baggage. The party needs to be well beyond worrying about that if they are serious about the 2020 election. The other MPs, like it or not, need to get behind her and not only show but also ensure there is a united front.https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/10/p...ot-surprising/

[Ocean1]

Only six unions are still affiliated with Labour ..

E tū – created through the merger of the Engineering, Printing and Manufacturing Union and the Service & Food Workers Union in 2015.
Maritime Union of New Zealand (MUNZ)
New Zealand Dairy Workers Union (DWU)
New Zealand Meat & Related Trades Workers Union (MWU)
Rail and Maritime Transport Union (RMTU)
Central Amalgamated Workers' Union (CAWU)


The rest all jumped years ago ..

So, you're saying that the number that actually own labour, lock stock and barrel are dramatically less than they were back before it became obvious that socialism was a dead end, and now amount to sweet fuck all?

And that their influence in shaping policy is well out of proportion with their actual numbers?

I'm stunned.

[husaberg]

Just because these 4 have somehow chosen right now to spill the beans doesn't necessarily make it true.
It all stinks to me.

Funny enough two by their own admission were in a completely consensual sexual relationship with him.
the other ones have not supplied any details and have not been named but still get to throw accusations doesnt at all seem fair really.
He gets named they don't.

[Katman]

So it clearly wasn't four in twelve months as you initially stated then was it, But National is on the cards for 3 in 12 months.

Your figures aren't any better.

John Key stepped down in Dec 2016 and Simon Bridges became the leader in Feb 2018.

How does that equal 3 in 12 months?

[Katman]

because Bill English replace John Key you dipshit and English was replaced by Bridges less than a year ago.
When bridges goes in the next few weeks it will be threee in less than a year.

So your figures only work if you ignore the fact that Bill English was leader for over 12 months.

[jasonu]

Even Whale oil is saying its time for Bridges to bail out of his sinking ship

Don't tell me you listen to that fat wanker.

[Katman]

Don't tell me you listen to that fat wanker.

It wouldn't surprise me if they were one in the same.

[husaberg]

Don't tell me you listen to that fat wanker.

Not normally but when even the fattest staunchest Nat supporter says its time for Bridges to be burnt its pretty damning............

[husaberg]

So your figures only work if you ignore the fact that Bill English was leader for over 12 months.

You really are an egg you ignored English

Your figures aren't any better.

John Key stepped down in Dec 2016 and Simon Bridges became the leader in Feb 2018.

How does that equal 3 in 12 months?

English
Bridges
New leader will likely = less than 12 months

Bill English 26th February 2018
Simon Bridges 27 February 2018
New Leader TBC October 2018

So it clearly wasn't four in twelve months as you initially stated then was it, But National is on the cards for 3 in 12 months.

ps thanks for the red rep it goes to prove what a narcissistic plonker you really are

[husaberg]

How do you figure that out?

I said John Key stepped down in Dec 2016 and Simon Bridges became leader in Feb 2018.

I would have thought it obvious (even to a fucking idiot like you) that meant that Bill English filled the 14 months in between.

This is too funny
So how is it that National assuming they replace Bridges in the next few months wont have have three leaders in 12 month then (By Stevo Maths)


I dont know how much more simpler i can explain it to you than i already have.
I look forward to you still not understanding.

So it clearly wasn't four in twelve months as you initially stated then was it, But National is on the cards for 3 in 12 months.

because Bill English replaced John Key you dipshit and English was replaced by Bridges less than a year ago.
When bridges goes in the next few weeks it will be three in less than a year.

You really are an idiot you ignored English


English
Bridges
New leader will likely = less than 12 months

Bill English 26th February 2018
Simon Bridges 27 February 2018
New Leader TBC October 2018

[Katman]

ps thanks for the red rep

You're welcome.

There's plenty more where that came from.

[Ocean1]

Unions represent 100,000 of thousands of separate people not two guys who want preferential treatment to become list MP's and influence policies.
All of the Unions gave bugger all money to the Labour party less than one individual National donor gave national in fact. They were not even Labours biggest donor FFS.

So it clearly wasn't four in twelve months as you initially stated then was it, But National is on the cards for 3 in 12 months.


Even Whale oil is saying its time for Bridges to bail out of his sinking ship

Oh that's OK then, 100,00 of thousands demanding preferential treatment via their very own party is MUCH better than two.

Here's an idea, how about we arsehole the lot, nobody gets to own or buy politicians?