Engine Size Questions

[Kickaha]

Clubs have the right to write their own class rules, could that be where some of the tension is coming from; people mixing up club rules vs. MNZ rules?

They can do supplementary regs for anything they want to run but those can't override MNZ rules

[Drew]

Fuck off you queer cunt, if they don't meet the rules they're not eligible to race with Buckets

Really, you can prove that I haven't honed any one of the bikes that have been sold?

[Kickaha]

Really, you can prove that I haven't honed any one of the bikes that have been sold?

Honing isn't reboring, so hone it all you want it still doesn't make it legal

[Drew]

They can do supplementary regs for anything they want to run but those can't override MNZ rules

No. But that doesn't stop organisers trying it on.

[jellywrestler]

I do get the questions about track protection. But that is resolvable by the sounds of things.

tell me one bike that comes out stock that meets track protection rules? these are no different to any other bike so it shouldn't even be tabled.

[jellywrestler]

Not for these, no. Why, what else do they need?

someone to read the rulebook. it's not rocket surgery, all these newcomers need to pick up a set of rules and study them, as do you it seems.

[Drew]

Honing isn't reboring, so hone it all you want it still doesn't make it legal

Bullshit. The rule doesn't state how material gets removed to fit the over bore section.

Once the bore is altered (honing removes material, whether it alters the bore size or not) it is bucket legal.

[Drew]

someone to read the rulebook. it's not rocket surgery, all these newcomers need to pick up a set of rules and study them, as do you it seems.

I have nothing to do with any person or team running one of these bikes.

[sidecar bob]

Honing isn't reboring, so hone it all you want it still doesn't make it legal

This would have to be the most fucking retarded rule in the history of racing, so I guess it fits right in with bucket racing.
You can't race against us unless you make your bike faster.
Once again, the bucket people have their heads jammed firmly up their ring pieces.
If somebody leaves their engine intact, they will modify nothing. If some retarded rule forces them to pull it to bits
A. it costs money that would otherwise not need to be spent, completely flying in the face of why bucket racing was invented in the first place, however with $11,000 buckets appearing on trademe, clearly that reason has long been forgotten.
B. If people are forced to pull their engines open, they won't just rebore them, they will raise the compression, port them, dial in the cams etc etc & make them faster. How does that help fellow competitors? Including the ones that are wanting it upheld.
Wouldn't it be better to just shut up & leave well enough alone? I appreciate the mentality we are working with, so probably not.

[Drew]

This would have to be the most fucking retarded rule in the history of racing, so I guess it fits right in with bucket racing.
You can't race against us unless you make your bike faster.
Once again, the bucket people have their heads jammed firmly up their ring pieces.
If somebody leaves their engine intact, they will modify nothing. If some retarded rule forces them to pull it to bits
A. it costs money that would otherwise not need to be spent, completely flying in the face of why bucket racing was invented in the first place, however with $11,000 buckets appearing on trademe, clearly that reason has long been forgotten.
B. If people are forced to pull their engines open, they won't just rebore them, they will raise the compression, port them, dial in the cams etc etc & make them faster. How does that help fellow competitors? Including the ones that are wanting it upheld.
Wouldn't it be better to just shut up & leave well enough alone. I appreciate the mentality we are working with, so probably not.

I said I'd provide a receipt for a hone. What changes hands and whether I need to actually sight the bike is between the owner and myself.

[TZ350]

Attachment 332291 Chapter 16 - F4 and F5 Bucket racing rules.

Attachment 332292 Fuel

Attachment 332293 Appendix A - Championship classes, first page has oversize allowances for F4 and F5

Appendix A has the capacity and oversize allowances.

I do get the questions about track protection. But that is resolvable by the sounds of things.

Yes, sounds like its a non issue, or at least fixable.

But I also get the approach has ruffled a few feathers, but surely this was done with the best intentions towards/for the riders.

Yes, that's my guess.

[jellywrestler]

I have nothing to do with any person or team running one of these bikes.

so then, since you have spent so much time preparing these bikes why not, just for shits and giggles, spend a few minutes reading the rules and drawing your own conclusions?

[jellywrestler]

But I also get the approach has ruffled a few feathers,

real men don't have feathers.

[jasonu]

why not, just for shits and giggles, spend a few minutes reading the rules and drawing your own conclusions?

You mean like these premier REAL bike racers who all read the rules and know the book by heart so there is never any confusion or miss understandings when something slightly out of the ordinary happens...???

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...onship-on-hold

[Grumph]

Not for these, no. Why, what else do they need?

Even if they're a one bike class, they still have to meet the rules in the book.
If they're doing Wanganui have they been fitted with a pull-out killswitch ?
They're a national class, have they got a shark fin fitted ? Has anyone at MNZ ruled as to whether they need one ?

If I was scrutineering at the first formal outing for the class, I'd want to have this shit clarified before I passed the first one.

Yes, getting new bums on seats is a praiseworthy aim. But personally, I don't like the way this has been done. If as has been said, the development class had the largest entries last season but is now being dropped in favour of a one make series, where are the development competitors going ?
I suspect that a lot of those guys won't be back at national level.