Election Bribes 2017

[AllanB]

I had the misfortune of watching the debate with my in-laws. People in their mid 80's, die hard Labour voters with no ability to consider anything else period. If Jacinta (SP?) had rolled up her skirt and took a squat on TV they would still vote for her.

Just watched the two deputy leaders on TV3 this morning - Kelvin did not do well - hammered for detail - there is none other than a 'working group'. I personally like the fella but he's being hung out to dry by his party. And that is my concern - there is nothing behind the facade.

[TheDemonLord]

Privacy "concerns" are the biggest hindrance to service delivery and the greatest contributor to systemic inefficiency. When Facebook knows more about the populace of a country then Government bureacracy needs to have a long hard look at itself. Doctors and teachers need to stop writing stuff on paper too. That's another problem that creates more problems than it solves.

You are completely wrong about Privacy concerns.

They are and must always be a very high priority. Literally half of my Job revolves around making systems secure to protect the data held within. Every decision I make, I must be able to prove that it is being done in the most secure many for the function required.

You may think that "oh, it's just some personal details" - but time and time again, a few personal details have been all that was required for major security breaches - case in point, the Celebrity nude photo hack. This was done by daisy chaining compromised accounts: As one account was compromised, the data/access gleaned from that account was used to compromise the next one - until they got into the cloud photo storage platform and the rest is history.

If you disagree - then feel free to post up your full name, Home address, Bank account details, Mother Maiden name, Date of Birth, Place of Birth, Credit card info etc. etc.

Now, I agree that Hospitals have a crap tonne of beuracracy - in fact it reminds me of a clip:



This is however, a function of the high levels of Auditing needed when dealing with people's health - think on this, the regular nurse checks that they do - now imagine a patient died after a complication from a relatively routine surgery, also assume that the nurse did the check, but didn't record the results - At a subsequent enquiry into the death it would go something like this:

Nurse: But I checked the patient, they were fine
Inquiry: There isn't a record of you checking the patient, what was the results?
Nurse: I can't remember their exact temperature and BP
Inquiry: Then how do you know they were fine?
Nurse: Well, I...

And so on and so forth - when it comes to health, every action must be logged so that there is a full audit trail for when people die unexpectedly.

The reliance on Paper is simply down to one simple fact - Data can be lost (for example, once, a certain Demon Lord accidentally rm'd about 12 TB of backup data....) but paper has a physical permanence to it that is not so easily afflicted by a wayward keystroke.

[TheDemonLord]

Mmmmm. So why are we importing fruit pickers and farm workers?

And what's the function of the minimum wage? It sure as fuck bears no relationship to any requirement for any minimum production.

Typically because those jobs are out in the country, not where the large unemployed workforce is, and that seasonal labour works out quite nicely for people wanting a certain lifestyle (namely, to have a working Holiday in NZ)

Minimum wage is a tough one - on the one hand, There is a principle that without a protection, there are those who do not have the means or the ability to negotiate their wage, which ends up being a case of 'take what we deign to give you' - which I don't agree with.

On the flipside - you are correct that changes to the Minimum wage seldom have the desired effect and often puts a tight squeeze on small to medium sized business, franchise owners etc. whilst unaffecting the 1% in their palatial mansions.

Well in spite of the deluge of whining from the left about rampant inequality NZ's gini numbers have hardly moved for years. So if there's a problem it's the advertising campaign saying otherwise that's most likely to be responsible for any increases in crimes of envy. Not, I hasten to add that threats of violence have ever been any reason whatsoever to pander to such shit.

Similarly, the perception that living standards are plummeting can fairly easily be refuted, but massive improvements in living standards aren't all that useful in shaking down all dem rich pricks.

See the Marxist/Radical Leftist/Post-Modernist Narrative - which both you and I deeply despise. The point remains however that we must be cognizant of it, and whilst part of me thinks that anyone who turns to violence should be treated in kind, I don't want to end up living in South Africa.

This thread is ripe for some Jordan Peterson: "It's not that the love the Poor, they are just simply hate the rich, because they are jealous"

[Ocean1]

Nurse: But I checked the patient, they were fine
Inquiry: There isn't a record of you checking the patient, what was the results?
Nurse: I can't remember their exact temperature and BP
Inquiry: Then how do you know they were fine?
Nurse: Well, I...

And so on and so forth - when it comes to health, every action must be logged so that there is a full audit trail for when people die unexpectedly.

The reliance on Paper is simply down to one simple fact - Data can be lost (for example, once, a certain Demon Lord accidentally rm'd about 12 TB of backup data....) but paper has a physical permanence to it that is not so easily afflicted by a wayward keystroke.

And this isn't even America, where an estimated 40% of the health budget is spent on some form of professional botty protection.

[TheDemonLord]

And this isn't even America, where an estimated 40% of the health budget is spent on some form of professional botty protection.

America is a special case, it really is.

[Swoop]

I think the problem that certain sectors of society is winging about - is that the Moderator isn't a raving Marxist and therefore shouldn't be allowed to speak...

The incessant childish whining from the left is tiresome.
Their "petition" to have him removed as moderator is a recent example. America's perpetual tantrum about their new president is hysterical.

[TheDemonLord]

The incessant childish whining from the left is tiresome.
Their "petition" to have him removed as moderator is a recent example. America's perpetual tantrum about their new president is hysterical.

And what pisses me off more than that, is with the exception of Fiscal policy, I'm centrist, with some left leanings (in the classical British Liberal tradition) - but the current left has turned ever so ugly.

I've got a few ideas as to the culprits, but that's a rant for another thread.

[Woodman]

Labour are just promising the world with no fucken clue where the money will come from.
If they get in they will then blame the National Government for leaving the country in such a bad state that they can't fulfill their election promises.

[oldrider]

Show us the money?

[Ocean1]

Labour are just promising the world with no fucken clue where the money will come from.
If they get in they will then blame the National Government for leaving the country in such a bad state that they can't fulfill their election promises.

Well not quite all of the world.

19 billion dollars of it, though, according to the taxpayers union.

[Berries]

If Jacinta (SP?) had rolled up her skirt and took a squat on TV they would still vote for her.

To be fair, if she did that I might overcome my apathy and cast a vote.

[Woodman]

I think the money Labour want to spend will come from the emissions taxes on farmers and capital gains. With respect to the emissions tax on farmers all that will do is put up the price of food as it will be the consumer who will be paying the emissions tax.

Capital gains tax will be paid by the consumers too.

[Woodman]

Nationals proposed law changes against drug dealers is a great policy and about time too.

[oldrider]

Before you vote check out these seven "free" videos and then compare your expectations from casting your vote against what you will actually receive in return?

Link to the video series: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...1VbFzgwrq1jkUJ How does your chosen candidate/party stack up? - Are you on to a winner?

[Grumph]

Nationals proposed law changes against drug dealers is a great policy and about time too.

If you say so...But their last go at removing the rights of individuals - The legislation enabling the confiscation of properties post Chch quakes - hasn't worked out well for them with a lot of it being overturned in court.
Amy Adams isn't getting a great track record as MoJ either....