North Korea

[Voltaire]

Sort of like when Britain gave away Palestine to the Zionists and it ended up in the hands of this guy?

More of thoughtful stare than a handshake.

[husaberg]

Wouldn't it be hilarious if the Trump managed to secure peace between North and South Korea - something no US president has been able to do in 60? odd years.

I can just imagine now the strained faces of his harshest critiques as they first try and find a way to diminish his role in just getting the 2 leaders to talk to each other and then realizing that maybe he wasn't so unqualified to begin with....

no one was able to get them to them to the table as the north was un willing.
The ever increasing world wide sanctions, the Fall off the USSR and its major support it provided the North and the Sudden lack of Chinese support would seem a far more plausible reason behind the Norths sudden interest to approach the negotiating table than any great negotiating skill of Trump.
To credit Trump with negotiating a lasting peace you would also have to pretend the two parties had not already met in April at the inter-Korean summit and signed the Panmunjom Declaration.

The two leaders solemnly declared before the 80 million Korean people and the whole world that there will be no more war on the Korean Peninsula and thus a new era of peace has begun

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panmunjom_Declaration
To credit Trump you would also have to not be aware that the vast majority of the sanctions were put in place prior to him becoming US president

Not that it will stop trump saying he was the reason it happened, he will likely even believe it was well, especially if it is reported on Fox News.

[TheDemonLord]

no one was able to get them to them to the table as the north was un willing.
The ever increasing world wide sanctions, the Fall off the USSR and its major support it provided the North and the Sudden lack of Chinese support would seem a far more plausible reason behind the Norths sudden interest to approach the negotiating table than any great negotiating skill of Trump.
To credit Trump with negotiating a lasting peace you would also have to pretend the two parties had not already met in April at the inter-Korean summit and signed the Panmunjom Declaration.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panmunjom_Declaration
To credit Trump you would also have to not be aware that the vast majority of the sanctions were put in place prior to him becoming US president

Not that it will stop trump saying he was the reason it happened, he will likely even believe it was well, especially if it is reported on Fox News.

And yet...

It was Trump that did it.

Not Obama.
Not Bush Jr.
Not Clinton.
Not Bush Sr.
Not Reagan.
Not Carter.
Not Ford.
Not Nixon.
Not Johnson.
Not Kennedy.
Not Eisenhower
and Not Truman.

And whilst I'm sure sanctions, withdrawal of international support and the Death of Kim Jong Il all had a part to play, I also suspect that Trump's rhetoric directed at the Regime was ALSO a factor.

[husaberg]

And yet...

It was Trump that did it.

Not Obama.
Not Bush Jr.
Not Clinton.
Not Bush Sr.
Not Reagan.
Not Carter.
Not Ford.
Not Nixon.
Not Johnson.
Not Kennedy.
Not Eisenhower
and Not Truman.

And whilst I'm sure sanctions, withdrawal of international support and the Death of Kim Jong Il all had a part to play, I also suspect that Trump's rhetoric directed at the Regime was ALSO a factor.

If it was threats and rhetoric that did it you need to remember Truman was threatening to go Nuclear on the North as far back as 1950.

[TheDemonLord]

If it was threats and rhetoric that did it you need to remember Truman was threatening to go Nuclear on the North as far back as 1950.

Right when the USSR was a much more serious threat...

Also, I'm pretty sure Truman didn't use Twitter.

[husaberg]

Right when the USSR was a much more serious threat...

Also, I'm pretty sure Truman didn't use Twitter.

They even recycled the exact same B29's and bombs that he used to break the Berlin blockade.
He also helped form the united Nations and presided over a period economic prosperity of the U.S.
Truman submitted the first comprehensive civil rights legislation and issued executive orders to start racial integration in the military and federal agencies.
He also served with distinction in WW1. Later he was a County judge
Truman didn't need make America great again hats made in China.
He maintained a marriage to the same woman all his life.
Truman didn't need twitter (or a small loan of a million dollars)
He was a self made man of substance

[jasonu]

no one was able to get them to them to the table as the north was un willing.
The ever increasing world wide sanctions, the Fall off the USSR and its major support it provided the North and the Sudden lack of Chinese support would seem a far more plausible reason behind the Norths sudden interest to approach the negotiating table than any great negotiating skill of Trump.
To credit Trump with negotiating a lasting peace you would also have to pretend the two parties had not already met in April at the inter-Korean summit and signed the Panmunjom Declaration.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panmunjom_Declaration
To credit Trump you would also have to not be aware that the vast majority of the sanctions were put in place prior to him becoming US president

Not that it will stop trump saying he was the reason it happened, he will likely even believe it was well, especially if it is reported on Fox News.

So are you saying if this all pans out well Trump is still shit for being involved?
If the old whore had won or the last schmuck was still in charge this would have never happened.

[Voltaire]

Will the hats be made in China?

[TheDemonLord]

They even recycled the exact same B29's and bombs that he used to break the Berlin blockade.
He also helped form the united Nations and presided over a period economic prosperity of the U.S.
Truman submitted the first comprehensive civil rights legislation and issued executive orders to start racial integration in the military and federal agencies.
He also served with distinction in WW1. Later he was a County judge
Truman didn't need make America great again hats made in China.
He maintained a marriage to the same woman all his life.
Truman didn't need twitter (or a small loan of a million dollars)
He was a self made man of substance

I'm not saying anything bad about Truman. To me it speaks volumes that people can't bring themselves to put aside their bias and dislike for the Trump, to acknowledge that he's actually done something ground breaking for World Peace. Even if North Korea remains "at war" with the US and South Korea, simply meeting and shaking hands is something momentous in it's significance.

And that alone makes him infinitely more deserving of a certain Nobel Prize awarded to a certain other US president (who didn't really do a whole lot for World Peace, except maybe kill Bin Laden)

[jasonu]

I'm not saying anything bad about Truman. To me it speaks volumes that people can't bring themselves to put aside their bias and dislike for the Trump, to acknowledge that he's actually done something ground breaking for World Peace. Even if North Korea remains "at war" with the US and South Korea, simply meeting and shaking hands is something momentous in it's significance.

And that alone makes him infinitely more deserving of a certain Nobel Prize awarded to a certain other US president (who didn't really do a whole lot for World Peace, except maybe kill Bin Laden)

Obama’s got the npp for being black. No great feat really.

[Katman]

And that alone makes him infinitely more deserving of a certain Nobel Prize awarded to a certain other US president (who didn't really do a whole lot for World Peace, except maybe kill Bin Laden)

Over 550 drone strikes ordered by Obama - which have been estimated to have killed possibly upward of 800 civilians. (Of course, those dead civilians won't mean anything to you though).

Ten times the number of strikes order by the war criminal who preceded him..

Trump is on target to trump those figures though.*



*Puns intended.

[oldrider]

I'm not saying anything bad about Truman. To me it speaks volumes that people can't bring themselves to put aside their bias and dislike for the Trump, to acknowledge that he's actually done something ground breaking for World Peace. Even if North Korea remains "at war" with the US and South Korea, simply meeting and shaking hands is something momentous in it's significance.

And that alone makes him infinitely more deserving of a certain Nobel Prize awarded to a certain other US president (who didn't really do a whole lot for World Peace, except maybe kill Bin Laden)

Shaking hands with one hand while pointing a 45 at his temple with the other? - Yeah that should be worth a "peace prize".

Soon as he gets that little side show distraction out of the way he can get on with the peaceful destruction of Iran - then he can get a peace prize from Bibi Netanyahu and Israel. What a man!

Consider this for a moment? - https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...t-hotels-world - couldn't be true - could it?

[Berries]

Soon as he gets that little side show distraction out of the way he can get on with the peaceful destruction of Iran - then he can get a peace prize from Bibi Netanyahu and Israel. What a man!

You and your Jewish shit is getting to be a bit like cassina and her group riding fixation.


No offence.

[TheDemonLord]

Over 550 drone strikes ordered by Obama - which have been estimated to have killed possibly upward of 800 civilians. (Of course, those dead civilians won't mean anything to you though).

Ten times the number of strikes order by the war criminal who preceded him..

Trump is on target to trump those figures though.*



*Puns intended.

If it makes you happy, I wouldn't have given Obama the Nobel prize...

[oldrider]

You and your Jewish shit is getting to be a bit like cassina and her group riding fixation.


No offence.

No offence taken - 2% of the world population 98% of representation in world affairs - don't you think that Jewish affairs attract attention with figures like that?