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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    Given time I'm sure people like yourself will happily accept an "In the interest of public safety......." explanation as to the lack of information being released.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    I think both yourself and the video is making a fair few assumptions:

    https://www.federalpremium.com/ammun...aliber/223-rem

    Same Calibre, same Manufacturer but different projectiles gives a variance of 3700 FPS to 2720 FPS - who is to say that he only bought one specific weight of projectile?

    Not to mention we are also assuming that they are fired from the same rifle, with the same barrell length.

    Interesting video - but it's making assumptions (not entirely unreasonable ones, mind) that it doesn't have the evidence to support.
    actually it's generally the powder charge that gives variance in MV. while pojectile weights and BC will , for a given charge, affect the FPS, it's not the most influential factorin loading

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banditbandit View Post
    Why? You can buy .223 ammo over the counter in Godzone (as long as you have the right piece of plastic ...)

    I'm sure you can buy .223 ammo in the states over the counter ..
    sarcasm font...

    there are, i'm sure, factory loads that are unavailable to the civ market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akzle View Post
    there are, i'm sure, factory loads that are unavailable to the civ market.
    Correct.


    Also:
    With the (recently debated) latest round of useless firearm law suggestions for NZ, the plod wanted .338 to become "unavailable".
    Bloody stupid really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    With the (recently debated) latest round of useless firearm law suggestions for NZ, the plod wanted .338 to become "unavailable".
    Bloody stupid really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    I missed that - Sauce?
    well the po-po shoot. 308. out of, liek 18" barrells. so they don't want you being able to shoot further than them.
    it's a wonder they're not wanting to ban everything bigger than that. although. 338 does have a reputation as a snipeysnipey round.

    curious though. hadn't heard about it, not that i go looking for "news" much.


    and i'm still not sure, at all, why the police are involved in firearms policy, at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    I missed that - Sauce?
    It was part of the lead up to the amendment of the firearms act. Have a look at the "report into the misuse of firearms" paper as well, it is in there somewhere.
    https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/bill...ment-bill-no-3

    Lots of utter bullshit about "combating the gang use of firearms" which wouldn't do a single thing towards that goal, but would be to the detriment of all kiwi shooters... which is their undeclared goal really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    Who said it was being ignored? In the Video - he's pointing to the Audio delay between impact and report as conclusive proof of a second shooter. It's not conclusive because it makes some very key assumptions - for which he doesn't have the evidence to make.

    Another thought on this is that we are also assuming that the distance of the microphone between the impact and the shooter is constant and approximately at the point of Impact.

    For example - if the microphone was moved to closer to the base of the Hotel, the lag would decrease (since the sound wave for the report propagates out from the Muzzle of the Rifle, whereas the Sound wave from the Impact propagates out from the point of Impact).

    I'm saying that the Video (whilst interesting) jumps to a conclusion, based on some assumptions (even if they are relatively reasonable) and presents it as gospell fact.

    I doubt the dude with his fancy theory is corred.
    He sounded like some type of infomercial....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akzle View Post
    well the po-po shoot. 308. out of, liek 18" barrells. so they don't want you being able to shoot further than them.
    it's a wonder they're not wanting to ban everything bigger than that. although. 338 does have a reputation as a snipeysnipey round.

    curious though. hadn't heard about it, not that i go looking for "news" much.


    and i'm still not sure, at all, why the police are involved in firearms policy, at all.
    308?

    most have 223.

    And then there's the ones most know nothing about...
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    308?

    most have 223.

    And then there's the ones most know nothing about...
    remington 700 i think it was. noisy fucker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    308?

    most have 223.

    And then there's the ones most know nothing about...
    The military went for 223 purely because it's smaller and lighter to carry.....

    What on earth could be the reason for police to chose 223?

    They don't do daily armed patrols miles away from resupply,
    Nor do they go through any large amounts of ammo.
    Nor is it hard to get supplies delivered to the local cop shops.

    223 is a barely adequate calibre for its intended use....

    If I would ever needed to shoot in anger, I would then expect to be able to that with a proper weapon.

    I'd be offended if I were a coppa.....
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    Things are going to get weird.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-veg...or-child-porn/

    I'm sure all the Hollywood pedos must be worried.

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