Road toll - Police stupid obsession blaming speed

[eldog]

Anything to do with chimneys?

Just came in from cleaning the spouting out, is that close?
full of crap, like some places, I know.

[FJRider]

Anything to do with chimneys?

Nope ... Salmon ...

[Scuba_Steve]

Sure insurance is going to be an expensive cost if you have never had it before and in NZ insurance will likely go down as more people will paying it if they still want to drive. As you are likely uninsured yourself would you still be calling it a "Retarded idea" if you were hit by another uninsured driver who was at fault?

I was actually looking for any opinion as to whether the roads were safer due to compulsory insurance in the UK? Whats wrong with dash cams as people are getting them in NZ too. They make it easier to get evidence in an accident assuming they are not written off in the crash.

Who said I'm not insured?
AA found most people here are insured & of those who aren't most can't be insured (under compulsory insurance you have to subsidise them)
Prices go up when things become mandatory
And insurance has no impact on road safety at all in anyway, much the same as fines do shit all to nothing other than give the Govt money. Why would you think having insurance would make people magically better drivers? some people own bloody expensive cars & they're still shit drivers. Money has no relevance to driving ability

Your rego fee paid for third party insurance many years ago.

The Govt at the time cancelled that idea - but kept the extra money for themselves.

No! That's not like the Govt to keep money & ditch services

[Scuba_Steve]

By calling compulsary insurance retarded I thought with that attitude you would not be insured yourself. I looked up a NZ news story on the subject and the reason why we dont have it is due to it being very likely unaffordable by young people especially those owning boy racer cars.
So to put unaffordability over road safety for car owners is odd when you consider the govt does not care about motorcycle registration being unafordable for many. As for insured drivers having to carry uninsured drivers the govt would be dumb to allow that sort of loophole. The reason why I think people would become safer drivers would be if they made too many "at fault" claims they could end up getting put off the road for good as their insurance cover would be cancelled. If compulsory insurance did not work overseas dont you think the governments that have it would have dropped it?

Wow your brain works in weird & funny ways
Again money does NOT make people better drivers in any way shape or form
Again financial penalty does NOT make people better drivers in any way shape or form
Making vehicles more dangerous however may make people better drivers through necessity (there are studies to suggest this)
And why do you think large insurance companies making shitloads of money would let Govts (of which alot of them probably have vested financial interest) get rid of their cash cow?

[awayatc]

Wow your brain works in weird & funny ways
Again money does NOT make people better drivers in any way shape or form
Again financial penalty does NOT make people better drivers in any way shape or form
Making vehicles more dangerous however may make people better drivers through necessity (there are studies to suggest this)
And why do you think large insurance companies making shitloads of money would let Govts (of which alot of them probably have vested financial interest) get rid of their cash cow?

Mate ....
Give up.
Nothing that still manges to breathe is more retarded...
It should be featured as some sort of anomaly in one of these reality TV programs.

I have had more common sense conversations with a door knob.

[Akzle]

Wow your brain works

based on the evidence to date:
no.

[Luckylegs]

Mate ....
Give up.
Nothing that still manges to breathe is more retarded...
It should be featured as some sort of anomaly in one of these reality TV programs.

I have had more common sense conversations with a door knob.

I want what your having...

No really, youve conversed with door knobs? - reminds me of an ex colleague and part time ambo who got called out to job for a chick who'd gotten just a tad more familiar with a door knob in her house




...I do understand the sentiment

[russd7]

Not fucking one fucking poster on this fucking site has fucking ever fucking suggested that they are fucking resistant to fucking crashes because they have fucking been to fucking riding fucking school.

hilarious. reminds me of a contract milking job i had years back, it was a new conversion and part of the deal was i had to employ the owners son. one day i was at the workshop and the son was milking, the owner came over to me and says "have you got ducks milking this afternoon" i gave him a rather quizzical look and asked what he meant, he just laughed and said "i just came past the cowshed and all i could hear was fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck"

[eldog]

Where is this school Woodman speaks of?

[Berries]

Where is this school Woodman speaks of?

Is it this one in the Tron?

Mmmmmm. Pants.

[GrayWolf]

Wow your brain works in weird & funny ways
Again money does NOT make people better drivers in any way shape or form
Again financial penalty does NOT make people better drivers in any way shape or form
Making vehicles more dangerous however may make people better drivers through necessity (there are studies to suggest this)
And why do you think large insurance companies making shitloads of money would let Govts (of which alot of them probably have vested financial interest) get rid of their cash cow?

Having driven/rode in the UK for the first 16+ yrs as a driver, I lived with compulsory insurance. I know there have been many changes in car classification since I moved here, but! Finance does have a dramatic effect for vehicle type. Like most of my age group I learned to drive in an old 1960's car {in my case a Triumph Herald 1200cc} I was in my mid 20's at the time. What compulsory DOES do is highly discourage {prices them off the market} young/inexperienced drivers buying powerful cars. There's a 'stepped' licence system for motorcycles in Europe now, and I don't consider it a bad thing, and would even not consider it a bad move for owning powerful cars as well.

However Rastus IS right, although a criminal offence in the UK, any law does need 'teeth' like confiscation and crushing. My BIGGEST concern about it is, it will/would open the doorway even further for introducing fixed ANPR camera's around the country.

[Akzle]

Is it this one in the Tron?

Mmmmmm. Pants.

[Akzle]

. My BIGGEST concern about it is, it will/would open the doorway even further for introducing fixed ANPR camera's around the country.

...and license plates on the front of bikes

[Navy Boy]

Having driven/rode in the UK for the first 16+ yrs as a driver, I lived with compulsory insurance. I know there have been many changes in car classification since I moved here, but! Finance does have a dramatic effect for vehicle type. Like most of my age group I learned to drive in an old 1960's car {in my case a Triumph Herald 1200cc} I was in my mid 20's at the time. What compulsory DOES do is highly discourage {prices them off the market} young/inexperienced drivers buying powerful cars. There's a 'stepped' licence system for motorcycles in Europe now, and I don't consider it a bad thing, and would even not consider it a bad move for owning powerful cars as well.

However Rastus IS right, although a criminal offence in the UK, any law does need 'teeth' like confiscation and crushing. My BIGGEST concern about it is, it will/would open the doorway even further for introducing fixed ANPR camera's around the country.

It's something of a circular argument this one. Having spent years riding and driving in the UK I agree that the higher costs, whether they be for insurance, rego costs or anything else motoring-related are effective at keeping younger/inexperienced drivers out of vehicles that could possibly be too much for them to handle effectively on the road.

However the accompanying increase in surveillance that this brings, if you doubt this sentiment then simply take a look at the UK for proof, is a price not worth paying IMHO. In a similar vein one simply has to look at the rise in numbers of static speed cameras in the UK since the mid 1990s which has been accompanied by a sharp decrease in the number of traffic-dedicated police. Cameras are good for prosecution figures, just not quite so good at catching the plonker travelling at 5 Km/hr below the limit babbling away on their mobile whilst high on drugs, be they legal or otherwise...

Additionally the UK has repeatedly seen a rise in the number of unlicenced and uninsured drivers as they are simply more inclined to take the chance owing to the prohibitive nature of the costs involved.

I've yet to see the road toll figures which came about over the recent holiday period and how they trended. I suspect the numbers were lower as the media hasn't taken much interest in them...

As ever with such things it's a complicated beast which will garner 7 different solutions if you were to ask 6 different people.

[Scuba_Steve]

I've yet to see the road toll figures which came about over the recent holiday period and how they trended. I suspect the numbers were lower as the media hasn't taken much interest in them...

Na things get delayed/silenced when they're higher usually as it's harder to walk round beating your chest & claiming others work as your own when the toll is higher
2017 labour weekend toll - 5
2016 labour weekend toll - 3

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