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    Quote Originally Posted by Berries View Post
    I am not really not sure why you bother posting on this website. You know the reaction you get and now here you are saying that a 4wd is the best vehicle out there. On a motorbike forum. And you still bang on about not having time to react when the rest of us seem to have had enough time not to have become a statistic on multiple occasions. You should really take some of the advice offered by others on here and just fuck right off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cassina View Post
    But doesnt having a bigger vehicle e.g. 4WD cover you better irrespective of what the reason is for muppets screwing up? What a lot on this website dont realize is that muppets don't all screw up at speeds or distances that necessarily will give you time to brake or swerve etc around them.
    Sure, sure - big vehicles don't crash http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11923779

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllanB View Post
    Fucks sake - muppets on TV this week in the head on were two 4WD's. From what I see on the road the 4WD drivers are under the illusion that they are invincible.
    I posted this on farce book yesterday it was parked in the carpark outside work. If you are in one of these I think you ARE invincible. I was lambasting it for taking up three carparks and generally being a waste of space and so forth. Turns out its owned by a client and tows an equally large and ostentatious boat about with it for fishing purposes. Or porpoises. Something aquatic anyway.
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    one at least of these crashes (some fucktard named Moccasin McFuckface) was a fuckwit in a stolen car trying to evade pleece. I am glad he is dead and hope that more of his ilk do likewise - the only caveat being the kill themselves and their like and not decent right thinking taxpayers such as myself. Because fuck those clowns. Steal a car, drive the wrong way down the motorway, try and drive like GTA San An then find out the hard way that real world physics dont work like that. Their deaths are a net benefit for our species and we should celebrate them. I am, in my own special way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by granstar View Post
    Wouldn't agree with that, driving defensively you have more chance of survival, with more chance to avoid a head on a bike.

    There has been no exact conclusion to the cause of these accidents, (speed seemingly an easy cop out) the variables are great, condition of roads, tiredness, weather, unfamiliarity to N.Z driving rules, vehicle or driver faults, chickens crossing the road, etc.
    At a guess inattention or distraction (kids in cars), we are all human and make mistakes (if you are a motorcyclist that cruises at 100 KPH all day long you're nose is growing), unfortunately deceased don't reveal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by george formby View Post
    Generally this guy gets up my nose but......

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/977...ety-campaigner
    I'd love to know what his qualifications are for commenting on road safety......as those muttonchops aren't much chop in the safety stakes

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackbird View Post
    WHilst I agree with MD and George Formby, driving standards in this country are pretty poor overall and what makes matters worse are the apparently low expectations of the authorities. Unless we address the root cause, it's rather a lost cause. Of course, raising standards with some vigour will be seen as draconian, so no politician is going to grasp that nettle. That leaves with ambulance at the bottom of the cliff solutions such as speed restrictions, increased insurance premiums etc which all have limited impact.

    Depressing, innit?
    The sad part is that if one first obtained their drivers license in a first world country, it's easy to spot the difference to NZ standards. Politics stops the progress. Boys in blue haven't got the numbers to keep poor habits in check. The focus on speed, or at least the perception thereof, doesn't help the overall problem. Enforce the basics is all I'd like to see for starters. Lane discipline, tailgating, indicating, red light running, seat belt use, cell phone use, speed thru roadworks etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by cassina View Post
    How do you know that increasing insurance premiums and I assume you mean as I do for those with a history of being at fault will not bring down the road toll? If those with a history of being at fault are forced off the road due to higher premiums will we not have safer roads? I think its worth a try as everything else has failed. As for all those who say our licensing system is poor compared to other countries I think that is nonsense otherwise tourist drivers would not cause crashes.
    My home country runs with third party insurance being part of your rego, so rego is quite expensive. Get sprung without rego, you lose the vehicle. Instantly, no messing about with the wet bus ticket. Same for no drivers license, get sprung, you lose the vehicle there and then. Drivers license is seen as a privilege, whereas here it's seen as a right. Still too damn easy to get a license here. Penalty for driving without seems of no consequence.

    The tourist driver topic is a separate issue, and the media have done a sterling job at blowing it out of proportion. For every tourist I've seen doing something dodgy, there's a shitload of locals doing even dodgier stuff. The stats don't stack up. But we're not allowed to talk about China and the IDP scheme, which they're not a member of...

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryDorsetCase View Post
    one at least of these crashes (some fucktard named Moccasin McFuckface) was a fuckwit in a stolen car trying to evade pleece. I am glad he is dead and hope that more of his ilk do likewise - the only caveat being the kill themselves and their like and not decent right thinking taxpayers such as myself. Because fuck those clowns. Steal a car, drive the wrong way down the motorway, try and drive like GTA San An then find out the hard way that real world physics dont work like that. Their deaths are a net benefit for our species and we should celebrate them. I am, in my own special way.
    Natural selection henry, it ain't gunna stop . No re offending huh !

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    Quote Originally Posted by caspernz View Post
    , seat belt use, cell phone use,
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    Seeing as Highway Cops and the like are so popular, put some actual crashes on them with all the graphic detail instead. Why should the Emergency Services

    people have to see the publics 'accidents".

    They post up crash pics on billboards in Vietnam.

    I still like the idea of a large spike sticking out of the steering wheel pointing at the driver.

    Leaving passing until after the sign saying ending in x metres is pretty common.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cassina View Post
    The reason why I said a 4WD was safer on this thread was because poster 1 was just bringing up road crashes in general as opposed to motorcycle specific crashes. I am no longer the only poster on here who did not have enough time to avoid impact and he unlike me had been to riding school like you and some others on here. You and others are deluded if you think being a graduate of a riding school will always make you resistant to the screw ups of others. You need to look at discussion forums on other websites on road safety as the views are very different off this site. It might be safer however to just limit yourself to this site as you will end up reading too many posts similar to mine outside this site.
    Not fucking one fucking poster on this fucking site has fucking ever fucking suggested that they are fucking resistant to fucking crashes because they have fucking been to fucking riding fucking school.
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    The cops are in something of a slow tailspin. The anti-speed campaign has effectively criminalised just about everyone in NZ; it's set the average Kiwi against their own police force.

    The public and the cops in this country used to have one of the best working relationships in the world. That's gone... it's now very definitely an us-vs-them situation.

    End result is lots of cops leaving the job, because who'd want a job where just about everyone hates you?

    This isn't a good thing for us bikers. I mean that. There are cage drivers out there who are very real threats to our physical safety and we need the cops to keep a lid on that for us. Yes, we'll get nicked speeding. We'll have to live with it. The alternative (of increasing anarchy) is worse.

    As to fixing the situation - until the top cops publicly eat some humble pie and admit that there's more to it than just speed, I can't see things getting better.

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    Speeding contributes to accidents only from the point of view that at some point your speed will exceed your skill and/or the physics that keep your vehicle where you want it to be. Unfortunately the police aren't able to measure poor judgement with a radar gun, so they focus on what they can actually measure and not have to argue in court to prove their case.

    One of my family is a traffic police officer, he doesn't get too bothered with speed unless it's really excessive for the particular road. He does however bother with no seat belts, unrestrained children in cars, people using cellphones, and dodgy courier drivers.

    Pinging people for 10k over the limit on straight roads, or at the end of passing lanes, does nothing to improve road safety.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neels View Post
    Unfortunately the police aren't able to measure poor judgement with a radar gun, so they focus on what they can actually measure and not have to argue in court to prove their case.
    no but judges are, put cameras in our police cars and let them deal with all offences,
    pinging someone for speed means they don't have to spend time in court off the road, if they had footage to accompany a ticket then the courts can deal with that and they can stay on the road.

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    Speed Kills! even the hippies are scared of it
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    If they were serious about reducing the road toll they would:

    1: Upgrade all our major inter-city aeterial routes to dual carriage ways, with a central divider
    2: Change our licence testing procedures to include a bigger focus on open-road, Motorway and back-road driving (especially for full license car drivers)
    3: Introduce defensive driving/Hazard Awareness type education as mandatory at a Highschool level
    4: Scheduled re-testing of licensed drivers
    5: Really crack down on Drink Driving, especially habitual drink driving (on your 3rd offence, you should be shot)
    6: Work on re-engineering major roads, that still have 20-30 kph hairpins in them - great for back roads and having fun, retarded for main access roads.

    Do all of the above - and our road toll would practically vanish over night.

    But that would mean several things:

    - Spending lots of Money
    - Admitting that Speed is not and never really was the major factor
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