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    Quote Originally Posted by YellowDog View Post
    ...My view is that drivers shouldn't be able to apply for a car licence until they have completed one year on a motorcycle. Of course some of them would not ever make to a car, but that might save a lot more of us too
    That sounds like the German approach to getting a licence...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moi View Post
    That sounds like the German approach to getting a licence...
    Must be a good approach then, as the Krauts are streets ahead of us here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moi View Post
    That sounds like the German approach to getting a licence...
    Nah, German way would be to gather up all the inferior drivers, slow drivers, Non-indicating tradies and rural farmers, old and senile, lane crossers, boy racers, and Asian tourists and put them in gas chambers.

    Guaranteed to improve road safety.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cassina View Post
    Lives will be saved as technology will compensate for all human error situations on the road and if there were no human error crashes there would be no need for the technology.
    Technology has massively increased yet deaths still happen...
    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire View Post
    ... and giant leaps in medical treatment...
    Greatly overlooked component.

    There is also no factoring in of Rescue Helicopter services. 1980's onwards?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moi View Post
    ... the underlying fruit-cake is the driving skill of the driver. Get the underlying skills right and maintain those skills, focus on the skills rather than just one action - speed.
    Fuck. Someone here has it nailed. Right on the head!
    Not that cockwombles in gubbinment or Donut-muncher head-honcho would ever realise.
    Quote Originally Posted by EJK View Post
    Nah, German way would be to gather up all the inferior drivers, slow drivers, Non-indicating tradies and rural farmers, old and senile, lane crossers, boy racers, and Asian tourists and put them in gas chambers.

    Guaranteed to improve road safety.
    I don't see a problem there. Bring it on.
    You missed "red light runners" though. Firing squad for those cunts!
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    So the best we have managed so far is 843 people killed in 1973.

    Wouldn't be so bad if we could choose who they were. But no, it's just Mr and Mrs Average.

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    I saw a really powerful advert on the TV last night. The one with the Policeman attending accidents, funerals and so on. It got the message across very effectively. That message being that your actions have consequences.

    Imagine my disappointment then when the same old and tired punchline came back at the end of it. That is slow down and all will be OK.

    What a shame that such a strong advert was spoiled by such an oversimplification.

    It's enough to make you despair...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    ... You missed "red light runners" though. Firing squad for those cunts!
    That's too quick...

    What about a modern 21st century version of burning at the stake?

    Tie them to post in the middle of an intersection to witness the crap driving until they finally perish...

    And speaking of crap driving:

    A few choice suggestions from an Aussie

    You don't have to like the man, but the message is worth while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moi View Post
    And speaking of crap driving:

    A few choice suggestions from an Aussie

    You don't have to like the man, but the message is worth while.
    Aahhh yes, that John Cadogan fella has some pretty sound advice. But is his delivery PC enough for all the wowsers who don't understand plain English

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    Just a quick FYI regarding technology being forced upon us:

    Phase 2 of the ESC requirements for used imported vehicles comes into effect March 1st 2018 in that all passenger vehicles class MA (that’s 'cars') with an engine of 2001 or more cc's will need to have ESC (Electronic Stability Control) fitted.


    At least some of them have a switch, so you can learn to drive properly, without relying upon technology to cushion you from reality

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    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Boy View Post
    I saw a really powerful advert on the TV last night. The one with the Policeman attending accidents, funerals and so on. It got the message across very effectively. That message being that your actions have consequences.

    Imagine my disappointment then when the same old and tired punchline came back at the end of it. That is slow down and all will be OK.

    What a shame that such a strong advert was spoiled by such an oversimplification.

    It's enough to make you despair...
    Missed point, distraction and careless driving is bigger than speed, how do you get the message to the government agency to take a look outside????

    = Moi...So what's this got to do with the death toll on NZ's roads? Again just my opinion, but I believe we as a nation need to have a serious look at what we are doing when we teach drivers and riders and what we are doing as on-going "PD" for drivers and riders who have held a licence for some time. Get the underlying skills right and maintain those skills, focus on the skills rather than just one action - speed.
    So what about the overseas visitor with obviously absolutely no driver skills as they weave all the way from Northland to Southland in their rental putting the shits up everyone?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBfVnEdoTHI
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moi View Post
    That's too quick...

    What about a modern 21st century version of burning at the stake?
    Being forced to read Miss Cassina's posts?


    Quote Originally Posted by Moi View Post
    A few choice suggestions from an Aussie

    You don't have to like the man, but the message is worth while.
    His recent explanation of Holden shutting down production, was rather entertaining...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    Being forced to read Miss Cassina's posts?
    That's a cruel and unusual punishment...

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    Quote Originally Posted by granstar View Post
    ... So what about the overseas visitor with obviously absolutely no driver skills as they weave all the way from Northland to Southland in their rental putting the shits up everyone?
    In 2017 there were 379 deaths on our roads. How many were a result of an "overseas visitor with obviously absolutely no driver skills"?

    I don't know where to find the answer to that question. However, I'd suggest that our own NZ drivers "with obviously absolutely no driver skills" caused more of those deaths than the overseas visitor. I, personally, see the "overseas driver can't drive" scenario as a red herring. We can't do too much about the overseas drivers, but we certainly can do something about our own home-grown drivers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moi View Post
    In 2017 there were 379 deaths on our roads. How many were a result of an "overseas visitor with obviously absolutely no driver skills"?

    I don't know where to find the answer to that question. However, I'd suggest that our own NZ drivers "with obviously absolutely no driver skills" caused more of those deaths than the overseas visitor. I, personally, see the "overseas driver can't drive" scenario as a red herring. We can't do too much about the overseas drivers, but we certainly can do something about our own home-grown drivers.
    Sounds about right. Why would we improve the skills (dare I say attitude?) of our own driver pool, when we can just keep pointing the finger at them overseas visitors? Oh right, it's really just the media creating that storm in a teacup...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    So the best we have managed so far is 843 people killed in 1973.

    Wouldn't be so bad if we could choose who they were. But no, it's just Mr and Mrs Average.
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