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    FJRider, I agree to some of your arguments. I definitely believe in wanting to work is not on everyone's moral compass. I have tried to instill in my kids to be self-reliant and work towards getting things 'cause that's what my parents drilled into me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cassina View Post
    I dont mean all WINZ clients are beggars but the existance of WINZ does mean those that beg on top of their WINZ payments are very well fed compared to countries where there is no WINZ.
    Some could be ... http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...p-to-150-a-day
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    Quote Originally Posted by FJRider View Post
    You obviously lead a sheltered life.

    Most in poverty are those that chose to live as such. Their (poor) life choices led them to be as they are.


    Get your head out of your ass and look around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeper View Post
    FJRider, I agree to some of your arguments. I definitely believe in wanting to work is not on everyone's moral compass. I have tried to instill in my kids to be self-reliant and work towards getting things 'cause that's what my parents drilled into me.
    I learnt work ethics at an early age. Simply because the dole didn't pay as well as it does now.

    Also ... because I like to eat. Many of the employment sectors I worked in were contract rate based. The more you did ... the better you were paid. I ate well. Never rich ... but I ate well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FJRider View Post
    Also ... because I like to eat. Many of the employment sectors I worked in were contract rate based. The more you did ... the better you were paid. I ate well. Never rich ... but I ate well.
    Just get a job in a kitchen. Was on shit wages for shit hours for several years but I was never hungry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berries View Post
    Just get a job in a kitchen. Was on shit wages for shit hours for several years but I was never hungry.
    I did that for six months too ... and I did
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    Quote Originally Posted by FJRider View Post
    The median is Average. Average is not (necessarily) the middle
    Mean, median and mode. The mean is the average, the median is the value in the middle and the mode is the value that occurs most often in the series. (The median can be assessed by averaging the two numbers in the middle when there is an even number of values in the series so no one middle number right in the middle of the series). See Mr Colquhoun ... I did learn something in your maths class. Still gutted that you caned me for throwing Vaughan Stringer's pencil out the window too!
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    Here you are folks ... the latest figures to find out if YOU are in poverty.

    http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_...income-pp.aspx
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    The biggest problem I see with unconditional continued funding is that it provides no rational reason for recipients' behavior to change. Support the genuine people who are in genuine need, temporarily and with a view to get them back to being a productive part of the economy.

    Obviously, people who are genuinely unable to work due to a disability are special cases and do indeed need society's support (we do live in a civilized country).

    Poverty is a complex social problem. Last time someone tried to fix it with attempting to make everyone equal was under Socialist and Communist regimes, and popularised by political ideology originating from Karl Marx and his works.

    I have no problems with capitalism. Hard work being rewarded accordingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeper View Post
    Poverty is a complex social problem. Last time someone tried to fix it with attempting to make everyone equal was under Socialist and Communist regimes, and popularised by political ideology originating from Karl Marx and his works.
    Well, to be fair - they did make some 200 million odd people completely equal....
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    According to the news there are 700 000 people on the minimum wage. They work hard and often have to work multiple jobs.
    The cleaning firm we engage pays over the minimum wage ( just) and we got talking one day about " the living wage" of $18 per hour and he said he's been asked to quote both before and no one has taken up the living wage option.
    For large companies with large floor space cleaning can be one of the largest costs and gets the most focus by customers.

    I was working in the UK in the 91/92 recession and ranks closed there to 'foreigners" ( as you'd expect) and I was going jobs like labouring, cash electrical, car jobs and working in my landlords Joinery shop. For someone who had never been out of work in 10 years it was a bit sobering.

    Employers are understandably concerned as they now need to find more money for the staff. Is this the opportunity that will see lots of Flippies appear on the scene.

    Hang on tight going to be an interesting 3 years.
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    Raising minimum wage is a false boost to economy. Someone always pays the additional cost of production. Most likely would be the small businesses and customers. Its like printing more money to pay your debt. What are the downstream impacts of that?

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    Them on $18 to $20 will now start bemoaning the fact that they are on minimum wage and that they are now being paid the same as the junior/slack fuck and will want more.

    Those on about $21-$23 per hour will want a pay rise because they are too close to minimum wage.

    And so it goes on.....................

    I do support it with reservations but its going to cause some problems. The old pommy union fuckwits are going to be waking up and whinging up a storm.
    I mentioned vegetables once, but I think I got away with it...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luckylegs View Post

    Are you suggesting they should be greatful for their lot in life
    They should at least be grateful for the free money they receive courtesy of the hard working tax payer.

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