Poverty measure ... doesn't make sense to me

[Woodman]

Are you saying that that which I have written is outwith the realms of the current reality? That's a quaint way of viewing the evidence.

But you never said anything. Just a whole bunch of jibberish.

[eldog]

Would making the pension equal to the benefit help?
with the same accommodation, hardship, furniture, meal extras

I am sure there are a few pensioners who suffer hardship....

Can't say I know anything about Benefits or Pension

[Woodman]

Would making the pension equal to the benefit help?
with the same accommodation, hardship, furniture, meal extras

I am sure there are a few pensioners who suffer hardship....

Can't say I know anything about Benefits or Pension

I reckon that the pension and benefit should be a percentage of the base politicians salary.

[Graystone]

You are new here aren't you?

I'm new here as well, perhaps you could explain what Mashman's measure of poverty is? (be it absolute or relative) I am having some trouble understanding his posts, perhaps due to lacking past context? They seem similar to Trumps speeches and tweets now I think about it, rather focused on telling us how good the results will be while being utterly bereft of any detail or logic about the implementation.

[Woodman]

I'm new here as well, perhaps you could explain what Mashman's measure of poverty is? (be it absolute or relative) I am having some trouble understanding his posts, perhaps due to lacking past context? They seem similar to Trumps speeches and tweets now I think about it, rather focused on telling us how good the results will be while being utterly bereft of any detail or logic about the implementation.

To be honest Mashman used to be quite engaging and articulate in his debates whether he opposed your view or not, but the last few on here have been quite unintelligable and he has come across quite angry. Not sure why, hope he is okay.

As for his theories. In a nutshell as far as I can understand is that he wants to have no financial system at all. Everyone who wants to just works and gets everything for free. It is not policed in any way, rather just rely on the community spirit. Make of that what you will.

[pete376403]

BBC started transmission in 1935 in London, how vintage are you?

I was referring to NZ pre-TV, but yeah, I'm getting old

[Swoop]

I reckon that the pension and benefit should be a percentage of the base politicians salary.

The other way around.
MP's salaries should be the same as the average wage. That would give them incentive for raising it.
Also it would wean out those professional unemployable's who have no useful skills yet get into politics to suckle off of the taxpayer's teat.

[mashman]

Behavioural construct.

Here's an idea: you pay whatever you want to anyone for whatever they provide, $100 for bottle of milk? Go for it, your money, you earned it: you decide.

And the rest of us will do exactly the same.

And it really really is, the only people that have any right to decide what anything's worth id the guy selling it and the guy buying it. You can fuck off and mind your own business along with the rest of your bone idle mates.

I wee'd a little when I wrote it too. It is all of our business should that behaviour lead to conditions that could threaten the environments under which humans develop. Shame you think otherwise... then again, progress has always been made at the expense of the myopic entitled.

Means you haven't learned the futility of using fact and logic in arguing with mushmate.

He's immune.

He'd have had to have used some in order to gauge that for his or herself.

Not sure why, hope he is okay.

Chur love. I'm absolutely splendid thanks. No anger, just using language to make a point and in order to shortcut the discussion to its more than likely obvious conclusion. Ya'll will read the post how you choose to read it. As such, the post worked flawlessly.

Many thanks Jeeper for proving the point and saving me huge amounts of time explaining things to you that you already have strong enough preconceptions about to completely ignore that which would have been explained.

[pritch]

Im not your son, dont ever call me that again,

This is the new enlightened KB, he is allowed to call you an egg, or maybe even son? These though are an improvement on some of the invective that passed for discourse hereabout.

[Graystone]

To be honest Mashman used to be quite engaging and articulate in his debates whether he opposed your view or not, but the last few on here have been quite unintelligable and he has come across quite angry. Not sure why, hope he is okay.

As for his theories. In a nutshell as far as I can understand is that he wants to have no financial system at all. Everyone who wants to just works and gets everything for free. It is not policed in any way, rather just rely on the community spirit. Make of that what you will.

Ah yes, I know the type, thanks for the clarification.

[FJRider]

This is the new enlightened KB, he is allowed to call you an egg, or maybe even son? These though are an improvement on some of the invective that passed for discourse hereabout.

Some lucky ones have had an invitation by one member ... to suck his cock.

So ... being referred to as "an egg" ... might seem ... um ... almost polite ...

[Jeeper]

Its rather unfortunate that the society has come down to throwing insults rather than ideas for fixing real or imaginary problems. I do enjoy a healthy debate. But won't stoop to swearing or name calling. Not the way I was brought up.

Twyford's solution to help with poverty is to introduce 10c per liter tax on petrol! Such a good guy. Suck'em dry, they'll stop bleeding. This is tax 1. Let's see what comes next.

[Woodman]

Unless you work for the govt the only way wages will rise is through bargaining with your employer. For some silly reason today and it must be due to something dumb being taught in schools or uni everyone including those employed by private businesses seem to think its the govt's job to give them pay rises.

Everyone?? I don't. Am I not part of everyone?

[Jeeper]

Unless you work for the govt the only way wages will rise is through bargaining with your employer. For some silly reason today and it must be due to something dumb being taught in schools or uni everyone including those employed by private businesses seem to think its the govt's job to give them pay rises.

I don't expect the government to interfere in my pay negotiation. In fact, I don't want the government to interfere at all in the job market or any other market. Let the buyer and seller work out whats best for them. Free market all the way.

[ellipsis]

I do enjoy a healthy debate.

...you are definitely on the wrong forum if you want that kind of shit...