Poverty measure ... doesn't make sense to me

[Akzle]

Its not as simple as just aquiring new skills as employers are wanting experience over a qualification today and if no one wants to train anyone people end up being stuck forever in a low tier job or on a benefit.

or it could just be that you come across as a raving fuckwit in real life, too.

[caseye]

or it could just be that you come across as a raving fuckwit in real life, too.

Arsekill, I thought you'd know better! Stop feeding the fucking bitch!
It lives and breathes because you talk to it.
Don't.

[mashman]

Under your resource based model, what do you propose will happen to excess human resource on the planet? Given that in your dreams the current ecosystem is unable to sustain onslaught of human decision-making?

Excess human resource? You mean the extra resources that humans won't be able to consume? Or those who are doing next to nothing, coz robots, but are getting access to stuff that others don't believe they should have given their "input" to acquire it? You know. Those with entitlement issues that would rather see the place burn coz someone is getting something that the entitlemented believe they don't deserve. Children.

[mashman]

My comment was more targeted to Commrade Mashman. His RBE has more holes than a fishing net. If everyone is free to do what like and everything is provided for. Nobody would do anything remotely difficult or hazardous.

And here we end up back at fuck off you got nothin' territory. If you understood it, you would have blown it to pieces already... moreover you end by projecting that nobody would contribute. Some of us are willing to plant the seed of something that they'll never feel the shade of. Some think that that gets in the way of a reasonable financial return based on input that sees rivers polluted, children starving etc...

Comrade indeed.

Its rather unfortunate that the society has come down to throwing insults rather than ideas for fixing real or imaginary problems. I do enjoy a healthy debate. But won't stoop to swearing or name calling. Not the way I was brought up.

You lose. Who's Next? Fuck, I hope that isn't a KB trademark of sommink.

[Graystone]

And here we end up back at fuck off you got nothin' territory. If you understood it, you would have blown it to pieces already... moreover you end by projecting that nobody would contribute. Some of us are willing to plant the seed of something that they'll never feel the shade of. Some think that that gets in the way of a reasonable financial return based on input that sees rivers polluted, children starving etc...

Comrade indeed.

You lose. Who's Next? Fuck, I hope that isn't a KB trademark of sommink.

I keep forgetting that I have to compensate for people's lack of will to ignore emotive language.

You are getting quite emotive in response to when the term communism is used? Perhaps you can tell me what the Resource in your Resource Based Economy is? are we to dig up the oil, cut down the trees etc, as long as no price tag is added?

[Woodman]

Excess human resource? You mean the extra resources that humans won't be able to consume? Or those who are doing next to nothing, coz robots, but are getting access to stuff that others don't believe they should have given their "input" to acquire it? You know. Those with entitlement issues that would rather see the place burn coz someone is getting something that the entitlemented believe they don't deserve. Children.

Robots? that reminds me.

What are we humans going to do to stop getting bored out of our tiny minds once robots do all the work?

Who wins and who loses once robots do all the work? Surely the companies that are pushing to use robots can see that if robot workers catch on then they will have no market for their products because humans won't be earning money because robots do all the work.

Actually Mashman I think your society will be a sort of robotic/hippy commune hybrid. Unless they ban robots then I see no other way. Money will be pointless.

[eldog]

Robots? that reminds me.

What are we humans going to do to stop getting bored out of our tiny minds once robots do all the work?

Who wins and who loses once robots do all the work? Surely the companies that are pushing to use robots can see that if robot workers catch on then they will have no market for their products because humans won't be earning money because robots do all the work.

Actually Mashman I think your society will be a sort of robotic/hippy commune hybrid. Unless they ban robots then I see no other way. Money will be pointless.

there will still be KB

although one or 2 appear to be robotic (same shit different thread)

[Akzle]

It lives and breathes because you talk to it.
Don't.

unfortunately not. if it were that fucken simple i'd kill it tomorrow.

[Akzle]

. Money will be pointless.

WILL be. hah.
ironing.

technological redundancy's a comin'

[mashman]

You are getting quite emotive in response ... dribble. You sounds like husaberg

Well I wasn't. You're entirely free to choose to believe that you know better than myself how I wrote the post.

[mashman]

Robots? that reminds me.

What are we humans going to do to stop getting bored out of our tiny minds once robots do all the work?

Who wins and who loses once robots do all the work? Surely the companies that are pushing to use robots can see that if robot workers catch on then they will have no market for their products because humans won't be earning money because robots do all the work.

Actually Mashman I think your society will be a sort of robotic/hippy commune hybrid. Unless they ban robots then I see no other way. Money will be pointless.

Automation in general. Robots sounds cooler.

Whatever they decide to do. With any luck flying bikes will be an option. Although we have houses to build, people to feed, land and river systems to "rescue", aging infrastructure to replace and lashings and lashings of technology to help etc... Some stuff needs doing irrespective of Economy. It just so happens that Resource Based Economy can throw more people at any given issue and yield far better results. Like earthquake recovery and the knock on business and personal stress that goes with it and so on and so forth.

You reckon the companies think that far ahead or indeed that they aware that their employees are someone else's customer and that a loss of discretionary income, a la replaced by robots, has those very same companies not considering the externalities of such a movement in money? Pulease. You get what you can, pay what you choose and everyone else should mind their own business. No, I don't think some employers concern themselves with the lives and economic reprisals of how they "use" their employees. They're too busy securing market position and fighting to grow. No one wins of we ignore those little things.

lol... I can live with that. Yeah, some things probably shouldn't be automated, but hey.

[Graystone]

Well I wasn't. You're entirely free to choose to believe that you know better than myself how I wrote the post.

Sure seems like it though. I'd appreciate it if instead of changing my post when you quote it, you would answer the simple questions in it.

[Jeeper]

Commrade Mashman, interesting Freudian slip in your words "If you understood it, you would have blown it to pieces already..."

Looks to me you already know your theory is fatally flawed but you still insist on pushing it. I don't need to resort to swearing and insults to get a reaction from you. You are easily provoked. Human mind is largely incapable of logic and anger at the same time.

Long live free markets. Government has only one job, govern. Government has no place interfering in free exchange of goods and services at a price agreeable between buyers and sellers. Nor should the government own and run commercial ventures (known as SOEs in NZ).

[mashman]

Sure seems like it though. I'd appreciate it if instead of changing my post when you quote it, you would answer the simple question in it.

I choose not to. However I shall refrain from changing your posts should I ever quote them.

[mashman]

Commrade Mashman, interesting Freudian slip in your words "If you understood it, you would have blown it to pieces already..."

Looks to me you already know your theory is fatally flawed but you still insist on pushing it. I don't need to resort to swearing and insults to get a reaction from you. You are easily provoked. Human mind is largely incapable of logic and anger at the same time.

Long live free markets. Government has only one job, govern. Government has no place interfering in free exchange of goods and services at a price agreeable between buyers and sellers. Nor should the government own and run commercial ventures (known as SOEs in NZ).

Well you called the economics absurd without providing anything in regards to a rebuttal then, or since. You know your stuff or your're just rubbing yourself a little too much at the thought fo something I dare not even consider considering any further.

The theory is fine, because it is exactly what we have today, but done on purpose. Anyhoo... what's with the negative personal waves Moriarty?

Snigger.