Poverty measure ... doesn't make sense to me

[Akzle]

Yes, this is what I mean. A bored human population will be so restless. Its not in our nature to do sweet fuck all each and every day of our lives.

according to whom?
there's some brown robed types chilling out up mountains that might disagree.
the pursuit of love and happiness might also get more brain-cpu-time, rather than being (artificially) limited to weekends and holidays

[R650R]

Haven't time to read whole thread, sorry if already been said....

We were talking about this is at work, is poverty real given the handouts available or just poor choices by badly educated/raised people???

JFC!!! on telly news other night, an obese woman and her obese daughter who in background is texting/using cellphone. Since when did any poverty stricken mofo be able to afford a cellphone?
Yes they were living in a caravan but by the huge pile of washed dishes and pots you could say they had food and shelter. They were poor but not in poverty.

Hell we haven't heard the famous underclass word used again... guess both parties realise that was mission impossible.....

As for child poverty, if real shouldnt that be an automatic intervention by CYFS (as mucha s I despise them)???? there by making the term child poverty redundant????

[Laava]

Its not in our nature to do sweet fuck all each and every day of our lives.

I'm sure there will be a few "enlightened people" on here that will disagree with you!

[Akzle]

Haven't time to read whole thread, sorry if already been said....

We were talking about this is at work, is poverty real given the handouts available or just poor choices by badly educated/raised people???

JFC!!! on telly news other night, an obese woman and her obese daughter who in background is texting/using cellphone. Since when did any poverty stricken mofo be able to afford a cellphone?
Yes they were living in a caravan but by the huge pile of washed dishes and pots you could say they had food and shelter. They were poor but not in poverty.

Hell we haven't heard the famous underclass word used again... guess both parties realise that was mission impossible.....

As for child poverty, if real shouldnt that be an automatic intervention by CYFS (as mucha s I despise them)???? there by making the term child poverty redundant????

yeah. there's no such thing as fat AND poor people.
vote akzle.

as for state care of children... because that never has any negative outcomes for the clients(sarcasm)... (read, appalling suicide rates, criminality, mental health issues, drug use... blahblahblah)

[Akzle]

and living in a caravan = fokken winning

[Woodman]

according to whom?
there's some brown robed types chilling out up mountains that might disagree.
the pursuit of love and happiness might also get more brain-cpu-time, rather than being (artificially) limited to weekends and holidays

Some = very very few brown robed types living a very disciplined life. The entire population ain't going to want to live like that.

[mashman]

Everybody already has a chance to be happy. They just have to produce something someone else considers worthwhile.

All the whining is from idiots that a: cant be fucked, b: can't bear the fact that really really does make them actual failures and c: figure everyone else owes them shit anyway.

See also: Fuck off you lazy bastard.

Stupid rule that's leads the planet to war, endures poverty coz financial economy and generally degrades whatever isn;t nailed down and barely paid for in order to consider themselves more worthwhile than someone else.

d: actually give a shit enough to want to do something about it and not leave it to market conditions that have proven themselves to fail over millennia.

e: entitled fuckwits, you know, your type.

See also: You were educated in the 1850's weren't you.

A purpose would be nice.

Then you'll get to pick one of many. Children have little purpose and get bored. Adults know better and find a purpose all by themselves.

[mashman]

I'm sure there will be a few "enlightened people" on here that will disagree with you!

Enlightenment.

Stating that people will get bored coz one says so, on behalf of everyone.

Stating that people will sort it out themselves when given the environment to do it.

Not that it's a contest. I'm enlightened that way

[Woodman]

Stupid rule that's leads the planet to war, endures poverty coz financial economy and generally degrades whatever isn;t nailed down and barely paid for in order to consider themselves more worthwhile than someone else.

d: actually give a shit enough to want to do something about it and not leave it to market conditions that have proven themselves to fail over millennia.

e: entitled fuckwits, you know, your type.

See also: You were educated in the 1850's weren't you.



Then you'll get to pick one of many. Children have little purpose and get bored. Adults know better and find a purpose all by themselves.

No, you are overlooking (for want of a better term) human nature. Seriously billions of people at a loose end will be chaos.

[Akzle]

life. The entire population ain't going to want to live like that.

and wont be forced to, what with that unlimited natural choice and shit.

[Graystone]

Enlightenment.

Stating that people will get bored coz one says so, on behalf of everyone.

Stating that people will sort it out themselves when given the environment to do it.

Not that it's a contest. I'm enlightened that way

What's the difference between faith and enlightenment?

[Laava]

Enlightenment.

Stating that people will get bored coz one says so, on behalf of everyone.

Stating that people will sort it out themselves when given the environment to do it.

Not that it's a contest. I'm enlightened that way

Yeah well, that's all well and good but just changing a values system isn't going to radically alter ones personal approach to life is it? I mean, lazy people aren't lazy just because they hate the financial system are they? More likely they are just fucken lazy fullstop.
This is not a dig at you by the way...

[TheDemonLord]

No, you are overlooking (for want of a better term) human nature. Seriously billions of people at a loose end will be chaos.

He doesn't believe in Human Nature - he's stated so many times.

Which interestingly enough is yet another hallmark of Communist/Marxist thinking - afterall, if there is no Human Nature, then the State can simply mold the perfect Human and therefore a perfect Society.

And it worked oh so well...

Personally, I think Mashman should own a set of Huskies, cause he is partly right - if left alone, people will create a purpose for themselves - however, whether or not it is a purpose that you want...

[mashman]

No, you are overlooking (for want of a better term) human nature. Seriously billions of people at a loose end will be chaos.

There's no such thing as human nature. Only monkey see monkey do. Or maybe monkey think of something else to do when they realise that they don;t have a nature . There is only ever learned behaviour. Oh, and the limitations of any economic system in place at the time.

[mashman]

Yeah well, that's all well and good but just changing a values system isn't going to radically alter ones personal approach to life is it? I mean, lazy people aren't lazy just because they hate the financial system are they? More likely they are just fucken lazy fullstop.
This is not a dig at you by the way...

Agreed. Yet the current system takes financial capital away from the economy to cover the lazy... who likely live on weed, beer, pizza and computer games. That capital could go into education, healthcare, infrastructure etc... If they're going to be lazy and supported irrespective of how you spin the economy, then all you need to do is give them what they need to keep their life going as it is and then maybe we can get on with more important things. We have a choice. Let the financial economy provide it for them by accident/crime, or purposefully give them that shit to continue what they were going to be doing anyway and negate the need for any potential negative outcome i.e. crime to pay for what they need.

No offense taken. I'm enlightened