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    Quote Originally Posted by mashman View Post
    There's no such thing as human nature. Only monkey see monkey do. Or maybe monkey think of something else to do when they realise that they don;t have a nature . There is only ever learned behaviour. Oh, and the limitations of any economic system in place at the time.
    Disagree on the human nature. your theory of society really should not ignore this.

    Monkey see monkey do? Thats why it will be chaos.

    Learned behaviour? Again, thats why there will be chaos unless you can somehow teach them to tow the line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mashman View Post
    There's no such thing as human nature. Only monkey see monkey do. Or maybe monkey think of something else to do when they realise that they don;t have a nature . There is only ever learned behaviour. Oh, and the limitations of any economic system in place at the time.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    He doesn't believe in Human Nature - he's stated so many times.

    Which interestingly enough is yet another hallmark of Communist/Marxist thinking - afterall, if there is no Human Nature, then the State can simply mold the perfect Human and therefore a perfect Society.


    Take heed my friends - how many times has Mashie told us that only He (and not us mere mortals) truly understand how an RBE works - so long as he is in charge. It's the same old Lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mashman View Post
    Agreed. Yet the current system takes financial capital away from the economy to cover the lazy... who likely live on weed, beer, pizza and computer games. That capital could go into education, healthcare, infrastructure etc... If they're going to be lazy and supported irrespective of how you spin the economy, then all you need to do is give them what they need to keep their life going as it is and then maybe we can get on with more important things. We have a choice. Let the financial economy provide it for them by accident/crime, or purposefully give them that shit to continue what they were going to be doing anyway and negate the need for any potential negative outcome i.e. crime to pay for what they need.

    No offense taken. I'm enlightened
    Ok then here is a serious question, in a theoretical RBE, how are the terminally unemployable and sickness benes etc going to be supported by the population? At the moment, apart from medication and counselling, we just donate them cash so they can buy drugs, smokes and alcohol as they see fit. How is an RBE going to support them in an equivalent way?
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    Something else I think that is relevant - suppose for a moment that Mashie's Utopia did work, exactly as he said it would:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_B...se_experiments

    One could even Argue that in the west - with our relatively carefree lives - we are seeing some of the symptoms of his Experiment:

    "expulsion of young before weaning was complete, wounding of young, increase in homosexual behavior, inability of dominant males to maintain the defense of their territory and females, aggressive behavior of females, passivity of non-dominant males with increased attacks on each other which were not defended against."
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    Quote Originally Posted by mashman View Post
    Stupid rule that's leads the planet to war, endures poverty coz financial economy and generally degrades whatever isn;t nailed down and barely paid for in order to consider themselves more worthwhile than someone else.

    d: actually give a shit enough to want to do something about it and not leave it to market conditions that have proven themselves to fail over millennia.

    e: entitled fuckwits, you know, your type.

    See also: You were educated in the 1850's weren't you.
    Who said it was a rule? It's simply a fact: the results of production belong to those that produce them.

    And those what give a shit have the same option as anyone else: produce your own shit or do without.

    Which is, as observed above the only real entitlement: you make it: you own it.

    So again: fuck off you lazy bastard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    Disagree on the human nature. your theory of society really should not ignore this.

    Monkey see monkey do? Thats why it will be chaos.

    Learned behaviour? Again, thats why there will be chaos unless you can somehow teach them to tow the line.
    It doesn't. And it doesn't. Fresco goes into great depths when talking about human behaviour v's human nature. And to add further fuel to the nature v's nurture "battle", The Ukranian Dog Girl. Found acting like a dog, you know, walking on all fours, eating without using hands etc... "Malaya was eventually transferred to the foster home for mentally-disabled children in Barabol (rural Ovidiopol Raion of Odessa Oblast). She underwent years of specialized therapy and education to address her behavioural, social and educational issues. Upon adulthood, Oxana has been taught to subdue her dog-like behaviour, she learned to speak fluently and intelligently,[4] she works at the farm milking cows,[5][4] but remains somewhat intellectually impaired.". I disagree with your disagreement lol.

    They already tow the line. The vast majority of people go to work after all. Some for exceptionally shit wages. I fail to see where the chaos will come from when people are given some form of freedom, but in the realisation that they'll have to dig in at some point in order to maintain that lifestyle. I don't see chaos in that at all. I see lots of free time and some work thrown in to keep things working that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laava View Post
    Ok then here is a serious question, in a theoretical RBE, how are the terminally unemployable and sickness benes etc going to be supported by the population? At the moment, apart from medication and counselling, we just donate them cash so they can buy drugs, smokes and alcohol as they see fit. How is an RBE going to support them in an equivalent way?
    An RBE will be able to support that because the current system kind of supports that already. In theory you could probably have 50% of the population doing nothing important at any given point in time, apart from being the village that raises the child that is. That all depends on what needs doing and how prepared people are to build an environment that lowers stress to the point that drugs/cigs/booze are no longer produced. Cigs not produced I hear you say? If so, then yeah. If there's no profit in producing drugs/ciggies/a wee snifter, then why would you want them produced given their health outcomes? If you want tobacco, then hit the net, grow your own plants and good luck to ya. Someone may actually enjoy making a good tobacco that you can acquire freely locally. Who knows, the tobacco fields may well be used for something a little more useful, like dairy. If you want booze, again, do your own, see if someone's makin' a batch and will produce for locals, maybe current producers will carry on etc... As such, RBE can support almost anything because it doesn't rely on money getting the job done, just the people... and given that people are already undertaking those roles in todays society, the service already exists with people willing to do the job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    Who said it was a rule? It's simply a fact: the results of production belong to those that produce them.

    And those what give a shit have the same option as anyone else: produce your own shit or do without.

    Which is, as observed above the only real entitlement: you make it: you own it.

    So again: fuck off you lazy bastard.
    That's not what I meant, but I agree with what you said. I merely want things that are being produced and that are currently costing us the sustainability battle for the environment not produced. Pretty straight forwards really. The more you use resources without care for the environment that they come from and the more you technologically advance, the more you screw the financial economy. Production for money is simply fuckin stupid and you morons have made it a rule because it is enshrined in law.

    Again: Go back to the 1850's and tell them that the planet is finite... and for bonus points, whilst you're there, find a distant female relative of yours and test the ultimate paradox by shooting her to see if you disappear along with your way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mashman View Post
    That's not what I meant, but I agree with what you said. I merely want things that are being produced and that are currently costing us the sustainability battle for the environment not produced.
    There's all sorts of fuckwits with strage ideas about sustainability, but if you can prove a link between a product and a problem then regulating the market is probably a good move.

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    T The more you use resources without care for the environment that they come from and the more you technologically advance, the more you screw the financial economy.
    Drivel.

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    Again: Go back to the 1850's and tell them that the planet is finite... and for bonus points, whilst you're there, find a distant female relative of yours and test the ultimate paradox by shooting her to see if you disappear along with your way.
    I'm pickin' your fantasising from personal experience, there, someone go back and cause some inheritable mental damage to your gran?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mashman View Post
    It doesn't. And it doesn't. Fresco goes into great depths when talking about human behaviour v's human nature. And to add further fuel to the nature v's nurture "battle", The Ukranian Dog Girl. Found acting like a dog, you know, walking on all fours, eating without using hands etc... "Malaya was eventually transferred to the foster home for mentally-disabled children in Barabol (rural Ovidiopol Raion of Odessa Oblast). She underwent years of specialized therapy and education to address her behavioural, social and educational issues. Upon adulthood, Oxana has been taught to subdue her dog-like behaviour, she learned to speak fluently and intelligently,[4] she works at the farm milking cows,[5][4] but remains somewhat intellectually impaired.". I disagree with your disagreement lol.
    What's hilarious - is that the Glorious RBE Messiah says so (with no Psychological, Biological, Anthropological or other related -ology training) therefore it must be true.

    Despite people who are actually qualified in those fields pointing to the blank-slate theory (which is what Mashie is espousing) is a hangover from various dogmatic viewpoints.

    What's even more Hilarious is that supposedly 1 case - vs the entire of Human Evolution proves his case...

    Except it doesn't - because Humans and Dogs (as highly social, intelligent, predatory Mammals) have a lot of the same basic traits - It's kinda like why we get on so well - Cause we have those same basic traits. We speak a common evolutionary language of sorts.

    What's really hilarious is that in the supposed rebuttal - did you spot the sleight of hand? substituting natures for behaviours - Discrediting one, and then substituting that discredited statement back into the argument.

    The old bait-and-switch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post


    Take heed my friends - how many times has Mashie told us that only He (and not us mere mortals) truly understand how an RBE works - so long as he is in charge. It's the same old Lie.

    To quote someone else I'm fond of:



    "You take a mortal man
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    Long may this thread remain off topic

    The number of threads these days that look like text books is far too disturbing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    There's all sorts of fuckwits with strage ideas about sustainability, but if you can prove a link between a product and a problem then regulating the market is probably a good move.

    Drivel.

    I'm pickin' your fantasising from personal experience, there, someone go back and cause some inheritable mental damage to your gran?
    Typical response from the ignorant. I guess the articles being written by the subject matter experts and various other recognised minds of the era who are highlighting these issues aren't to your liking. Perhaps you don't like the author or the words they use to describe what is and has been happening over the last 50 (minimum) years in terms of environment and technology etc...

    I'll give my regards to my gran as she's tries to dumb me down even further so that I accept the shit that you and your cohort consider a better way . So stay as the ignorant hypocritical fuck that you are. That is your choice after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mashman View Post
    Typical response from the ignorant. I guess the articles being written by the subject matter experts and various other recognised minds of the era who are highlighting these issues aren't to your liking. Perhaps you don't like the author or the words they use to describe what is and has been happening over the last 50 (minimum) years in terms of environment and technology etc...

    I'll give my regards to my gran as she's tries to dumb me down even further so that I accept the shit that you and your cohort consider a better way . So stay as the ignorant hypocritical fuck that you are. That is your choice after all.

    Love n hugs.

    Gordon.
    Dude, your history of wishful interpretation and outright comprehension failures re "expert" opinion isn't something an intelligent observer can avoid lolling at, you continue to mash absolutely everything you find into a shape that fits your retarded insistence that evel bogymen are using money to persecute everyone that cbf working for a living.

    Get a haircut.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    Dude, your history of wishful interpretation and outright comprehension failures re "expert" opinion isn't something an intelligent observer can avoid lolling at, you continue to mash absolutely everything you find into a shape that fits your retarded insistence that evel bogymen are using money to persecute everyone that cbf working for a living.

    Get a haircut.
    Wrong. Oh so very wrong. Fortunately I Am not living or considering living your perception of what you think should be, coz it sounds like a right manky state to live in. that's all in your own tiny mind, Son. Grow the fuck up and take a share of that responsibility you claim that you don;t have to the rest of society. Maybe you'll find out what it takes to actually become a man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mashman View Post
    They already tow the line. The vast majority of people go to work after all. Some for exceptionally shit wages. I fail to see where the chaos will come from when people are given some form of freedom, but in the realisation that they'll have to dig in at some point in order to maintain that lifestyle. I don't see chaos in that at all. I see lots of free time and some work thrown in to keep things working that way.
    Collective or individual? Will it be the chinese individual we all blame when shit goes wrong, that ends up having to do all the digging?

    You still haven't got round to answering the difference between faith and enlightenment btw; an inability to do so obviously indicates the former condition.

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