Poverty measure ... doesn't make sense to me

[mashman]

My guess is that he's talking about a way of introducing an RBE concept while money is still in circulation.

And I also guess that the 17% is the average figure that people spend of their income on food.

It's certainly something that we'd do in an RBE. Irrespective though, it makes sense in terms of lowering water use, lowering transportation costs, taking some of the pressure of those who are currently redistributing food, providing potential health benefits, as well as putting that 17% average household spend on food into their pockets without them actually receiving any more money.

[Jeeper]

The approach is system agnostic.

Ok. Elaborate a little more about how current unequality would be eliminated. Do you propose surrender of all material possessions, including money, to a central arbitrator of sorts? You have to remove the current system before a new one is introduced. Or would they coexist and switch over a period of time?

[TheDemonLord]

Does a natural major catastrophe count as genocide?

As I said - by all means put your money where your mouth is.

And then you betrayed what you actually wanted - which is half of everyone else to die - so yeah, that'd be hoping for Genocide.

The fact that you are trying to absolve yourself of any responsibility and assuage your guilty conscious by wishing that it's the impersonal force of Nature is neither here, nor there.

It's the intent.

And as you've clearly demonstrated - your intent is Murderous.

[TheDemonLord]

Ok. Elaborate a little more about how current unequality would be eliminated. Do you propose surrender of all material possessions, including money, to a central arbitrator of sorts? You have to remove the current system before a new one is introduced. Or would they coexist and switch over a period of time?

Shades of the Russian Revolution.

And it's working out so well in Zimbabwe.

The only thing worse than a dyed-in-the-wool Communist, is a dyed-in-the-wool Communist who doesn't think he's a communist.

[Katman]

And then you betrayed what you actually wanted - which is half of everyone else to die - so yeah, that'd be hoping for Genocide.

Dude, the words genocide and murder are yours.

I haven't used either of them in this context.

[mashman]

I understand that. But humans come in different shapes and sizes, requiring different calorific input. Giving everyone the same amount sounds like rationing to me. Again, who will enforce it? Comrade Mashman says no need for government. Who else can be universal enforcer of laws?

Nope. They take what they need. That currently happens, whether the food comes from the market or is delivered by a KCS or Kiwiharvest to name but 2. In terms of enforcement to prevent those who take too much, perhaps those who are looking after the gardens will object and society will prevent them from taking so much. What's left, after those that take too much, will be people still getting access to some of the food they require.

At least you're honest and have nothing to add to the approach. Other than bullshit propagandised fear that it. "Oh we better not do it, yes it will help the majority out, but a minority will take the piss and we don't want to encourage that behaviour". Pathetic bullshit is pathetic bullshit. It's the same bullshit propaganda used when talking about food banks and that there are chancers there and therefore food banks should be removed. Yes there are chancers there. Yet the vast majority of people that use food banks are straight up in need and greatly appreciative the assistance. It's like you only want to cater for a minority by preventing the majority from getting access to that which has been set up for the specific reason of getting food that would have been thrown out to people that would have otherwise gone without.

[mashman]

Ok. Elaborate a little more about how current unequality would be eliminated. Do you propose surrender of all material possessions, including money, to a central arbitrator of sorts? You have to remove the current system before a new one is introduced. Or would they coexist and switch over a period of time?

Did I say it would be eliminated? No.

I'm not expecting those who receive the assistance of services providing them with food as having to trade for it.

What does the removal of a system have to do with that which was being proposed in terms of getting feedback for the approach outlined? As I said, it's system agnostic. It's an approach in its own right that would make a difference.

[TheDemonLord]

Dude, the words genocide and murder are yours.

I haven't used either of them in this context.

What's the matter? Don't like how your Shit smells when it's shown the light of day?

Perhaps if you are so uncomfortable with someone calling your statements for the Murderous and Genocidal intents that they are, then perhaps you should take a long, hard look at your bitter and resentful soul.

As a fun fact - do you know that there is another type of person who is often fond of calling for divine judgement and execution upon the world for the grievous sins of Humanity with themselves installed as the arbiter of what is and isn't good and just?


They are the people that like to shoot innocent school children en masse.

You should think about that.

[Katman]

What's the matter? Don't like how your Shit smells when it's shown the light of day?

No, I'm just pointing out that your autism has you running off half-cocked yet again.

[TheDemonLord]

No, I'm just pointing out that your autism has you running off half-cocked yet again.

It's funny how everytime you get confronted with a truth you can't deny, you've got to resort to calling people Autistic.

I guess it's easier to call people names than to look at the place inside of yourself that you are too afraid to.

[Katman]

It's funny how everytime you get confronted with a truth you can't deny.....

What truth?

You mean the truth that I've not used the words murder or genocide?

Or the truth that your autism periodically sends you off on half-cocked flights of fancy?

[Jeeper]

Did I say it would be eliminated? No.

I'm not expecting those who receive the assistance of services providing them with food as having to trade for it.

What does the removal of a system have to do with that which was being proposed in terms of getting feedback for the approach outlined? As I said, it's system agnostic. It's an approach in its own right that would make a difference.

Approach, system, these are symantics. I genuinely gave you a chance to explain yourself and your approach, but you chose to attack my intent with shit made up in your dreams about what I may believe in.

If you can't argue with actual logic and stay on point, I'm affraid I'll have to leave you in your own Dreamland. Enjoy your stay.

[TheDemonLord]

What truth?

You mean the truth that I've not used the words murder or genocide?

The truth that underlines your motives.

I agree you didn't use those words, but your intent speaks far louder.

Simply put - the moment you indicated that whatever great tragedy you wish should befall the Earth and all of mankind, should do so in a manner that leaves you unscathed - that's when it's murder and Genocide, cowardly hiding behind a proxy of 'natural disaster'.

actively wanting others to die, whilst staying alive yourself - we call that Murder.
Doing it on a scale that wipes out half of the Human Population - we call that Genocide.

[mashman]

Approach, system, these are symantics. I genuinely gave you a chance to explain yourself and your approach, but you chose to attack my intent with shit made up in your dreams about what I may believe in.

If you can't argue with actual logic and stay on point, I'm affraid I'll have to leave you in your own Dreamland. Enjoy your stay.

. Ok.

[Katman]

actively wanting others to die, whilst staying alive yourself - we call that Murder.
Doing it on a scale that wipes out half of the Human Population - we call that Genocide.

Hush now - you're making yourself look even more silly than normal.