Police motorcycle Safety vid.

[T.W.R]

It's like flogging the crap out of a dead horse trying to get the dimwit to open it's eyes & mind to actually learn something

The secret is a willingness to learn, to strive for self improvements & better understanding of basic fundamentals and grasping knowledge & growing from it.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing and deadly when it belongs to a closed arrogant mind

People do learn in different ways as it said but there's at least 3 forms of learning for individuals; some respond better to certain forms of education than others but the key is for the trainer to grasp what form that is and to nurture it & let it grow & blossom, get the enthusiasm spurred.
A good tutor/instructor that can adjust themselves to each individuals needs are a rare breed but the core basics are concrete & from there the black & white of it all gets blurred because we're all unique.
In all it's a continuous learning curve and any bigoted prick that thinks they know it all needs a kick in the arse, there's always room for improvement and if someone thinks better they're in for a reality check because they're a little minnow in a fucking huge pond where there are much better & brighter people grasping any new knowledge with both hands & growing for their own benefit and those around them.....it's respecting one's self and respecting others.

Be humble and prepared to learn

[sidecar bob]

It is amusing watching Youtube cam videos where the driver/rider of camera car/bike gets upset by the actions of another road user. Most of the time one can reasonably pick what is up, well before the cam driver/rider responds. Merely confirms that human error is largely to blame in something like 90% of accidents. Train the human better, reduce the number of accidents. I've done my bit, and encourage others to do likewise.

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Here's a game you can play at home with a group of bikers.
Put a YouTube crash compilation clip on the TV, when someone yells stop, pause the video, then the person that yelled stop says what he thinks happens next. It's amazing how far before the crash happens that you can predict it.

[caspernz]

Here's a game you can play at home with a group of bikers.
Put a YouTube crash compilation clip on the TV, when someone yells stop, pause the video, then the person that yelled stop says what he thinks happens next. It's amazing how far before the crash happens that you can predict it.

Haha, I use this approach in the classroom already...

[T.W.R]

Haha, I use this approach in the classroom already...

AA defensive driving courses were doing that 25yrs+ back by VCR

[caspernz]

AA defensive driving courses were doing that 25yrs+ back by VCR

Yeah well, not like I claimed that I invented the concept, just confirming it works. For those with an open mind at least

[T.W.R]

Yeah well, not like I claimed that I invented the concept, just confirming it works. For those with an open mind at least

I wasn't implying that fella

And it is a good tool to give some a reality check and a perfect aid for those who are visual learners
The onset of youtube has exposed all to a barrage of what events can happen, just a reinvention of the wheel for the modern world

[russd7]

to be fair neither of the two ride forever courses that i have done actually told me anything i didn't already know or at some stage in my riding time put in to practice, what they did teach me was that i had become lazy and complacent. since doing the first one i did with Dan Ormsby and concentrating on putting in to practice what i already knew my riding has become smoother and more enjoyable again.

biggest problem with rider training is they are preaching to the converted and those that take them up are looking to improve, those that believe they already are perfect riders will always find a way to blame someone else instead of looking and asking what could they have done different.

if a tractor drives out of a gateway in front of me i don't blame luck that i didn't hit it I already know that i saw it coming across the paddock and i already knew the gate was open and he was heading for it and therefor i was already slowing and prepared to brake. same goes for the car that pulls up on the opposite side of the road but has its right indicator going, that suggest to me he is going to u turn so i am already slowing down and braking ready to stop. and guess what he did right in front of me and i stopped

the farm ute coming along a driveway on a cold wet dark morning again i was slowing and hard on the brakes and stopped inches from their door again was no luck involved, its called roadcraft and involves situational awareness. most riders/drivers that i know would have become fancy ornaments in all those situations.

did i swear and curse, of course i did then i analyzed the situations and said what could i have done better, on none of those instances could i have controlled what the other persons did and none of those situations was luck involved, had i been closer i would have been past before they new i was there, had i been further away there would not have been an issue.

[AllanB]

You have missed the whole point of my argument about riding schools in that they can as you say make "YOU" a better rider but thats the limit of their ability. I have said on here many times going to riding school does not help control the speed and distance from you of another motorist when they screw up. All those who think riding school will help them in such a situation are deluded in my opinion.

Best post from you for a while. The point of any rider/driver training school is to make the driver/rider better - ie YOU if YOU are doing the course.

And any tips you pick up and apply that may help YOU survive the roads makes it worth while, yes?

[AllanB]

to be fair neither of the two ride forever courses that i have done actually told me anything i didn't already know or at some stage in my riding time put in to practice, what they did teach me was that i had become lazy and complacent.

this .

[caspernz]

I wasn't implying that fella

And it is a good tool to give some a reality check and a perfect aid for those who are visual learners
The onset of youtube has exposed all to a barrage of what events can happen, just a reinvention of the wheel for the modern world

It still cracks me up thinking of the Smith driving system videos from the 1950's that we got shown, now how long ago was that again? Oh, must have been the late 90's or so. The basics of Roadcraft are in there, just different terminology used. If only more would partake in post license upskilling

[Luckylegs]

Yes my argument is lost on you as you say that riding schools teach you that there is always time to react and I have said over and over again in real life this is not the case as no one would crash at all if it was now would they??

C'mon really. You must be able to see the gaping hole in your statement... please say you can and your just doing it to wind us up

[Woodman]

No I said rider courses would "NOT" have helped otherwise I would have done one to learn how to emergency brake and swerve. There was no time to brake or swerve when I was hit which some on here percieve as impossible but they have just got lucky so far.

No you are telling porkies. You said it in this thread. It is in black and white.

[T.W.R]

If only more would partake in post license upskilling

Not pointing the finger at anyone BUT prime example below..... even the mentally disturbed can be helped on some occasions and there's some well beyond help

Yes my argument is lost on you as you say that riding schools teach you that there is always time to react and I have said over and over again in real life this is not the case as no one would crash at all if it was now would they??

Comprehension of basic english definitely isn't your strong point, give yourself some semblance of credibility by actually quoting with your accusations rather than putting forth a deluded idea of what was said
Rider education & training doesn't teach that at all, it attempts teach the individual to heighten the alertness to the possibilities that can be encountered and how to react in the best ways possible creating options that can minimise the severity of a collision or avoid completely. The thing that can't be conquered easily is a core human condition of fight or flight, the fight takes knowledge on board (increased situational awareness & roadcraft) & flight snaps back into panic.
You just keep on wearing your rose glasses and their tunnel vision of ignorance because you obviously (whether it be on two wheels or behind the wheel of a car) are a magnet for accidents and your skills are working for you without room for improvement must a real bastard being perfect

[caspernz]

Yes my argument is lost on you as you say that riding schools teach you that there is always time to react and I have said over and over again in real life this is not the case as no one would crash at all if it was now would they??

The thing is you say riding courses wouldn't have helped in your crashes. Amusing how you can make that assertion without having partaken in any post license training. We all improve when we take part in training. Even when the starting point is that there was no time to avoid the screw-ups of others, as you keep insisting. An incident develops, so if one can read the signs, it won't come as a total surprise. After all, accidents that materialise out of the Tardis are fairly small in number...

[awayatc]

The only thing that surprises me is that the big C has managed to survive on the road thus far.
Despite her best efforts.....

Mind you, there were various admitted close calls and non (near?) fatal mishaps.

Her perfect and awesome survival witch craft skills include gems like feet on ground around "bends", riding on extreme left side of road and obeying every advisory speed sign ,
To name just a few.....

But because she's been riding for so long she has absolutely no need for any sort of riding courses....

"I can crash perfectly well without them ...thank you very much...
It's all just plain luck, don't you know.....?"
You never have time to react if you are not at fault...."

Madness is when you do exactly the same thing , but expect a different outcome........


R.I.P.