Manus Island

[Grumph]

And how is that a drain on the Australian taxpayers?

Given that they went there as NZ citizens it's not. But this is the type of case that has both the kiwi bashers and the traditional "white Australia" consevatives screaming about a back door to Australia.
You've got to wonder if kiwis would be treated better in Oz if immigrants had to live in NZ for a minimum period of, oh, say a generation before they could go to OZ.
Probably nothing less would satisfy the hard line conservatives in Oz. Bastards.

[Katman]

Given that they went there as NZ citizens it's not. But this is the type of case that has both the kiwi bashers and the traditional "white Australia" consevatives screaming about a back door to Australia.
You've got to wonder if kiwis would be treated better in Oz if immigrants had to live in NZ for a minimum period of, oh, say a generation before they could go to OZ.
Probably nothing less would satisfy the hard line conservatives in Oz. Bastards.

So maybe what the Australian government is 'afraid of' (to quote pritch) is nothing more than latent xenophobia.

[Grumph]

So maybe what the Australian government is 'afraid of' (to quote pritch) is nothing more than latent zenophobia.

Not so latent after generations of a "white Australia" policy from successive governments.

[Katman]

Not so latent after generations of a "white Australia" policy from successive governments.

I think you're absolutely right.

So basically, they don't want any refugees there because they don't much like foreigners.

Australia has become as putrid as America.

[TheDemonLord]

And they should be provided with the basic necessities of life while doing so.

Why?

Do they not have arms, legs and Agency to get those basics themselves?

How did they survive for all the years before?

[Katman]

Why?

Once again - I expected nothing less of you.

[Swoop]

And they should be provided with the basic necessities of life while doing so.

Which are in the "new" centre which they don't like.
Possibly the air-con in each building is too cold?

[Ocean1]

And they should be provided with the basic necessities of life while doing so.

And as someone for whom such sacrifices are obviously paramount to the foundation of your own ethics, what was your last contribution to the effort?

[Katman]

And as someone for whom such sacrifices are obviously paramount to the foundation of your own ethics, what was your last contribution to the effort?

My contribution is a small part of the 3 million dollars.

[TheDemonLord]

I think you're absolutely right.

So basically, they don't want any refugees there because they don't much like foreigners.

Australia has become as putrid as America.

I think you are over reaching certain things.

There's a couple of factors that you are willfully ignoring:

1: People don't like Queue jumpers.

Australia has a strict immigration policy (as is their want and right) and there is a view that some of the people claiming refugee/asylum status aren't as in-danger as they claim, they are trying to use this to cover the fact they are economic Migrants who would not be able to meet the immigration standards otherwise.

Whilst you and I can argue till the cows come home on this point - but there is one simple fact - they were offered 2 alternatives - which they didn't want, because they wanted to go to Australia.

People see that fact and say "well, you aren't genuine Refugees/Asylum Seekers - you are Economic Migrants and you want to break the rules and queue jump - fuck off"

2: People don't like people who don't integrate.

This one is a little more nuanced and tricky. Most people enjoy the positive contributions of other Cultures - the great British love of Curry and the great Indian love of Cricket are probably the 2 best examples. What irks people, is when they group together, don't learn the language and don't adopt some of the Key values held by our society.

The Key values is where it gets really tricky - some examples might be respect for the rule of common law - which I think is a deeply held belief amongst all the English speaking countries. Whilst we might all complain about speeding tickets and alike - you and I probably hold a very similar view on the aspects of Common Law. Yet, there are groups that would want to usurp this with an alternate - the best example being Sharia law, either by stealth (Sharia courts) or by outright campaigning for it.

And where it really gets interesting is that there is a belief (and one that has a very solid grounding in history) that the English legal system (for all it's flaws) has been what has helped those countries that adopted it wholly to be the beacons of success, whilst other countries that were at one point our intellectual peers or even intellectual superiors, that held different legal systems, declined.

Other things might be the principle of Women's rights - regardless of whether you are a blue haired Feminazi, or an ardent anti-feminist - Acid attacks, Sati, Honor killings, FGM etc. etc. have no place in our Society.

Now on that note - Integration does not mean leaving your own culture at the door - far from it - I remember in my childhood having great fun celebrating Diwali with my Hindu friends - and it's here that I think we see how Multiculturalism should work - there are some key principles that are fundamental to a society, and anyone coming into that society must adopt. That is integration - everything else that is not contrary to these key principles - is absolutely fine. You can still have your festivals, your Saris, Turbans etc.

[TheDemonLord]

Once again - I expected nothing less of you.

But you must answer the challenge - are they incapable of Fending for themselves? They managed to do so for a long enough time before they tried to illegally enter Australia - so I ask - Why?

[Katman]

But you must answer the challenge...

[Banditbandit]

Which are in the "new" centre which they don't like.
Possibly the air-con in each building is too cold?

Probably because it has no security fences and no security guards - and the locals don't want them there and could attack and kill them?

After all - Australia dumped these people on Manus Island - the locals had no say in this and do not want them either.

[Banditbandit]

But you must answer the challenge - are they incapable of Fending for themselves? They managed to do so for a long enough time before they tried to illegally enter Australia - so I ask - Why?

It has not been proven that they tried to enter Australia illegally - refugees are not illegals .. They claimed Refugee status - Australia, against International Law, refused to even look at that request - and dumped them on Manus Island.

They did manage to fend for themselves up to now - but outside the detention centre they face an armed and hostile bunch of locals ..

[Ocean1]

My contribution is a small part of the 3 million dollars.

Under a dollar then.

You greedy hypocritical cunt.