Manus Island

[Katman]

Look at a map - look at the things with names and borders around them - any of those, except the big one that says "AUSTRALIA" - that is where it is.

Do you actually think that's how issues of this nature are resolved?

[Graystone]

Do you actually think that's how issues of this nature are resolved?

How do you think issues of this nature are resolved?

[TheDemonLord]

Do you actually think that's how issues of this nature are resolved?

Would you like to keep shifting the Goal posts?


They are free to go anywhere they like - so long as it's not Australia. Whether the destination country will accept them is a matter between the Individual and the destinations Immigration department.

[Katman]

How do you think issues of this nature are resolved?

Well you don't just point at a map and say "anywhere that's not Australia".

[TheDemonLord]

How do you think issues of this nature are resolved?

By deeply racist and Xenophobic policies*, controlled by the IMF, run by the Jews, which carried out 9/11 with controlled demolitions and fabricated the Holocaust.


*but only if it they are white

[TheDemonLord]

Well you don't just point at a map and say "anywhere that's not Australia".

Except, you can.

"You can't come into Australia"
"but where shall I go?"
"Anywhere that isn't Australia"

[Katman]

And it goes beyond "anywhere that's not Australia".

The amoral cunts don't even want them coming to New Zealand.

[Katman]

Except, you can.

"You can't come into Australia"
"but where shall I go?"
"Anywhere that isn't Australia"

You should probable read up on International Law.

[TheDemonLord]

You should probable read up on International Law.

I actually did a spot of riding about the history of the so-called first safe country principle and it's origins.

Rather interesting.

[Katman]

I actually did a spot of riding about the history of the so-called first safe country principle and it's origins.

Rather interesting.

I sure the horseies kept you amused for hours.

Did you understand any of what you read though?

[TheDemonLord]

And it goes beyond "anywhere that's not Australia".

The amoral cunts don't even want them coming to New Zealand.

What makes you think that anyone who doesn't wish them to come here is Amoral?

Furthermore - what makes you think that you are in any position to judge Morality?

[Graystone]

Well you don't just point at a map and say "anywhere that's not Australia".

So what do you* do?





*Not you specifically, obviously.

[Katman]

What makes you think that anyone who doesn't wish them to come here is Amoral?

Furthermore - what makes you think that you are in any position to judge Morality?

The amoral cunts I'm referring to is Australia since they are adamant they don't want the refugees coming to New Zealand regardless of any vetting or application process.

But feel free to include yourself in that group if you feel comfortable with it.

[Graystone]

Furthermore - what makes you think that you are in any position to judge Morality?

Tried that on page one, such an introspective would be hugely beneficial to anyone thinking about this sort of topic.

Legally, or morally? If you think morally, perhaps better question your own rights. Do you have more right to help directly, or to impose your morals on others to get them to help directly?

Didn't get any response though...

[TheDemonLord]

I sure the horseies kept you amused for hours.

Did you understand any of what you read though?

Well, the Horseies are a greater intellectual challenge than your standard drivel - so yes, yes they did.

It's a very interesting read - the key points of contention are around a reading of the 1951 Geneva Refugee rules, and whether an implication within the text is an imperative (as many right wing/anti-immigration pundits would put forward) or a suggestion as some other interpretations hold it.

There's a book written by a Cambridge law professor which (judging by the citations) holds that it is an Imperitive and that First Safe country rules do apply, there was another published law paper (from Michigan University) that also cited the Cambridge book, arguing that it isn't an absolute.

One thing, however is clear is that in the current legislation there is no official guideline for determining who is an Economic Migrant vs Refugee, there are rules for determining refugee status - but they are very broad and very nebulous - for example, if there was a skirmish in the South Island, I could potentially claim refugee status and move elsewhere.